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The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life. Its interesting that when people see something on TV or in the paper or even a tabloid you dont so the same sort of invasive re-search.
You missed the boat woman! There was no lady that was invaded as there was NO MOM WHO LOST A SON from ingesting carpet cleaner. I cannot believe that you still believe any of this!
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One of the reason I chose not to use their products is they use flouride in their toothpaste, they use SLS cancer causing bubbles in their bubble bath, and they use synthetic fragrances, dyes and fillers in many of their bath and body care products. And the SLS is in their anti-acid tablets that I unfortunately took through my two pregnancies.
So their are things that can KILL your child or you in many of their products.
> Doesn't the fact that they don't let you cancel or refund your money scare you? >
If you read the Policies it says you need to write a letter of cancelation and mail it in, it wont be accepted any other way, they need to have your signature so no they dont keep your money or just ship you stuff. You need to get your letter in if you chose to cancel. Some people just want to call and cancel but they can not, because anyone can say they are you can cancel your acount. If they just stole your money they wouldnt have a clean record in the BBB.
>they use SLS cancer causing bubbles in their bubble bath>
Did someone mention Urban legends??? Re-search, re-search! By the way they do not have bubble bath.
Here are 2 reputable sites that talk about this ingredient! As well as Melaleuca has on their site under Debunking the myths. Education is key. Isnt it great that Melaleuca does infact use safe, healthy ingredients!
>The mama who posted it here had received it from her "higher up" which was just starting to happen all over the company.>
Oh you mean Jessica? You dont remember the Mama but say her "higher up" I am her "higher up" and I recieved it from her to which I told her NOT to post it anywhere unless she knew if it was true, because to me it was obvious common sense that it was a scare email. Unfortunaly she had already posted it here before she recieved my email. Facts straight please.
<The snopes thing: the email was not only by 1 woman! the freaking VP backed her up in our repeated requests for information! he said it was true. he said he had seen the funeral papers. it was a crock of bull sh*t!! he lied to everyone.>
VP backed her up huh? No VP of Melaleuca backed up that letter or the claims in it.
<Their products are not no-toxic,>
Melaleuca has never claimed their products to be Non-toxic, Water can be toxic. They state they are better, healtheir, then your store brand which they are.
<Animal Testing: true but again I got in quite a tiff with some reps over this and all anyone has to do is contact PETA for the Copies of Original letters from the president/party involved that basically blew this into public light/knowledge>
Do a further search in that site and you will find that no they do not promote animal testing or animal cruelty.
<I feel that if a company is highly ethical as they claim, they better know who is representing them and what they are saying/claiming about the company and the product...>
As I said they are global and can not baby sit everyone, its common sense, the policies are in place and they do take action when they get wind of unethical practices. I mean no matter what company you are working for their are alwasys some employees going against policy etc..
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I would also reccomend making your own products- that way you know what's in them and it can save you a ton of $$! I have been doing it for about 3+ years and love it!
Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
As far as the Snopes thing. That was one person who wrote that letter and if you look at Melaleuca's policies ( which I can fax you over by the way) you can see that its against policy to do those types of things, but since they are global they can not control nor babysit all of their marketing reps. All they can do is send out warnings in their monthly magazine ( which I can also fax you) that they will not tolorate that type of behaviour because it hurts people. The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life. Its interesting that when people see something on TV or in the paper or even a tabloid you dont so the same sort of invasive re-search.
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Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
Oh you mean Jessica? You dont remember the Mama but say her "higher up" I am her "higher up" and I recieved it from her to which I told her NOT to post it anywhere unless she knew if it was true, because to me it was obvious common sense that it was a scare email. Unfortunaly she had already posted it here before she recieved my email. Facts straight please.
which one is it? amity mama's invaded some poor family's life or it was a hoax and you knew better? obviously you were one of the only mela moms that knew it was a hoax since a few came to amitys JUST to post about it here and let's not forget this post that claims a mela rep was indeed faxed a funeral program.
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Originally posted by TwiddleBritches > Doesn't the fact that they don't let you cancel or refund your money scare you? >
If you read the Policies it says you need to write a letter of cancelation and mail it in, it wont be accepted any other way, they need to have your signature so no they dont keep your money or just ship you stuff. You need to get your letter in if you chose to cancel. Some people just want to call and cancel but they can not, because anyone can say they are you can cancel your acount. If they just stole your money they wouldnt have a clean record in the BBB.
That may be policy but that doesn't mean it always works. I sent a WRITTEN letter WITH my signature, had PROOF of delivery (DC and return reciept) and STILL they would not cancel it. Even after I gave them the DC # that showed it had been delievered and told them I had a signed return reciept. I had to resend the letter - AGAIN - with DC & return reciept. They only finally cancelled it when I threatened to call the BBB.
Just because a company doesn't have negatives on their BBB doesn't mean that much. It just means (theoretically, I'm not saying that they have been reported) that when they are reported, they resolved it with the customer, then it's not put on their report.
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Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
<The snopes thing: the email was not only by 1 woman! the freaking VP backed her up in our repeated requests for information! he said it was true. he said he had seen the funeral papers. it was a crock of bull sh*t!! he lied to everyone.>
VP backed her up huh? No VP of Melaleuca backed up that letter or the claims in it.
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Maybe not a "VP" but Kevin Vincent himself sent out that same information, then another email claiming it was true and he received a copy of the funeral program, and then yet another admitting it wasn't true. How high up is he?
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<Their products are not no-toxic,>
Melaleuca has never claimed their products to be Non-toxic, Water can be toxic. They state they are better, healtheir, then your store brand which they are.
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They may not claim it, but what about all the ads we see everywhere trying to pull us in? Those ads from the Mom team and others sure do make big claims about the safety of the products...
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Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
<Animal Testing: true but again I got in quite a tiff with some reps over this and all anyone has to do is contact PETA for the Copies of Original letters from the president/party involved that basically blew this into public light/knowledge>
Do a further search in that site and you will find that no they do not promote animal testing or animal cruelty.
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How can you say they don't promote animal testing when they admit they test on animals? Seriously, I am confused there...
I just wanted to add that I sent in a cancelation letter also....3 TIMES!!! They would NOT cancel my account! I also had to threaten them with the BBB...in the meantime they kept billing me for products they said they sent out (I never got a thing ) and THEN...had the nerve to send me to a collection agency.
They really are a horrible company.... I say vinegar and baking soda!
Well I will not use SLS and I won't use alluminum and we can keep debating that one.
I am sorry but most of Malelucha's products are not natural. Dyes and synthetic fragrances are not natural and I was thinking of the shower gel not bubble bath.
I don't let my kids bath in grape flavored anything. That is a red flag that something is not pure. We will stick with lavender. Danica makes some great shower gels!
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They really are a horrible company.... I say vinegar and baking soda! [/b]
Sweet orange essential oil works fabulously also! You can make a paste with baking soda, and essential oils.
Also, if people want really natural products like in the HFS, try a co-op, and see how much interest and availibility there is in your town. I have been getting some fabulous products at wholesale prices.
Originally posted by TwiddleBritches <That may be policy but that doesn't mean it always works. I sent a WRITTEN letter WITH my signature, had PROOF of delivery (DC and return reciept) and STILL they would not cancel it. Even after I gave them the DC # that showed it had been delievered and told them I had a signed return reciept. I had to resend the letter - AGAIN - with DC & return reciept. They only finally cancelled it when I threatened to call the BBB. >
Um, You can not send a plain Letter with Delivery confirmation. In order to get Delivery confirmation it must go priority. So either you sent it priority and forgot because you didnt mention it here, or you didnt send it with Delivery confirmation or you are just getting on the band wagon.
<Maybe not a "VP" but Kevin Vincent himself sent out that same information, then another email claiming it was true and he received a copy of the funeral program, and then yet another admitting it wasn't true. How high up is he?>
Kevin Vincent is not a VP and doesnt work within Melaleuca he is just a rep. I never got anything or saw anything from him. Interesting you say a "VP" I mean come one ladies your getting mad because someone made false claims but your doing the exact same thing with false claims.
Goodness.
I didn't make any false claims. I didn't say he was a VP - in fact I said, maybe not a "VP" - I realize he's a rep, but yes, he is high up. I was just pointing out that it wasn't isolated to a few reps who were lower in the ranks.
And second of all, oh my GOSH!! I didn't say HOW I mailed it - I didn't say I sent it first class or priority, so don't act like I LIED. Yes I did send it priority - I didn't want them taking more money out of my account that I couldn't afford and needed to buy groceries with and I needed to get it there in less than a week, if you must know. I'm sorry, I didn't think it was necessary to mention that. HOWEVER, you certainly CAN get delivery confirmation with First Class! All you have to do is use stamps.com or click n' ship and it's only 13 cents. Here: http://www.usps.com/send/waystosendm...Confirma tion
Go ahead and pick MY story apart. I have nothing to hide. Why is it an issue how I sent the letter?
Might wanna check your facts before accusing me of lying. The USPS link above clearly shows you CAN get DC with first class.
And no, I'm not getting on any bandwagon.
Good grief. I don't need this. Don't jump on me.
And PLEASE realize that just because you have a good experience with them, not everyone does. I can fully believe that other people love the company. I'm not saying you don't have that right. I had a bad experience.
By the way, there is a HUGE difference in MEDICAL testing on animals such as does with CF, and testing of cosmetics on animals. There are viable and reliable alternatives to cosmetic animal testing. Mixing issues doesn't change that. (ETA - I don't support either, but just wanted to point out the difference iis where good alternatives exist.)
I'm done with this thread...
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I didn't make any false claims. I didn't say he was a VP - in fact I said, maybe not a "VP" - I realize he's a rep, but yes, he is high up. I was just pointing out that it wasn't isolated to a few reps who were lower in the ranks.
And second of all, oh my GOSH!! I didn't say HOW I mailed it - I didn't say I sent it first class or priority, so don't act like I LIED. Yes I did send it priority - I didn't want them taking more money out of my account that I couldn't afford and needed to buy groceries with and I needed to get it there in less than a week, if you must know. I'm sorry, I didn't think it was necessary to mention that. HOWEVER, you certainly CAN get delivery confirmation with First Class! All you have to do is use stamps.com or click n' ship and it's only 13 cents. Here: http://www.usps.com/send/waystosendm...Confirma tion
Go ahead and pick MY story apart. I have nothing to hide. Why is it an issue how I sent the letter?
Might wanna check your facts before accusing me of lying. The USPS link above clearly shows you CAN get DC with first class.
And no, I'm not getting on any bandwagon.
Good grief. I don't need this. Don't jump on me.
And PLEASE realize that just because you have a good experience with them, not everyone does. I can fully believe that other people love the company. I'm not saying you don't have that right. I had a bad experience.
By the way, there is a HUGE difference in MEDICAL testing on animals such as does with CF, and testing of cosmetics on animals. There are viable and reliable alternatives to cosmetic animal testing. Mixing issues doesn't change that.
I'm done with this thread...
you took the words right out of my mouth mama!! I pretty much had the same experience as you too.
Don't take it personally.....
Thanks MoonDancer. After nearly 5 years here I thought mamas knew me well enough to know I have no reason to sit around making up lies, and I really don't like it being implied. Sorry you had a bad experience, too.
Ugh, was meant to be a pm - good thing I didn't type the rest of what I was thinking... But I'm gonna leave it here anyway... no use editing now.
Last edited by Stargazer441 : 12-09-2004 at 12:10 AM.
How high up is he?
Seriously, I am confused there...
You can make a paste with baking soda, and essential oils.
Sorry you had a bad experience, too.
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