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Old 03-21-2006, 12:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Being proactive when kids are in trouble... Video

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This is amazing... it took hours for someone to react to this little girl yelling "your not my daddy" to her abducter (staged) and finally when someone reacted, 4 people reacted at the same time.

It brought tears to my eyes to think of this mama sitting in the security van watching her daughter get abducted over and over again and no one do anything. WOW...
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Old 03-21-2006, 12:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I watched this yesterday morning on the Today show. I WAS in tears. It was very upsetting. DD went through a stage of yelling "you are hurting me, you aren't my mom, leave me alone" when in fact I was not hurting her and I most definitely am her mom, and noone ever said anything to me. Not once. I got all sorts of looks but noone ever actually asked. That always surprised me, I was always prepared to have to explain to people.
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Old 03-21-2006, 03:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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how terribly sad! what a world we live in.
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Old 03-21-2006, 07:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Crissy,

I just wanted to say how much I love that picture in your post! I've got two little guys, myself, and have always LOVED them in overalls/shortalls!
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D*mn, that was scary. I need to work on teaching my kids more proactive ways of protecting themselves. I teach them a bunch, but that was one of them, and obviously doesn't work. Time to teach them how to crush some nuts or something.

One thing I was thinking, though..not to lessen the disaster that was, but I didn't hear genuine panic in her voice, and I think that might have made a difference in responses. People might have noticed that, and thought she was just putting it on because she was mad. Like I said, not to lessen the fact that so few people responded, but maybe that would explain a bit.
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:12 PM   #7 (permalink)
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so sad. i cried. although i do think that since she didnt sound as scared and panicked as she would have if it was really happening to her, i would have expected a lot more people do something!!!
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Well, ****, when my kid was mad at me and repeatedly screamed that I wasn't his mommy in the Target parking lot, you can bet someone reacted. I was afraid I'd have to prove myself to the cops.

Mind you, in hindsight, I'm grateful for people like her, but it sucked that night.

Or, in other words, I have no fears of Patrick letting an abducter get away with it. I do need to work on Rowan now that she's bigger. Scary world, especially with the freaks trying to pick up homeschooled kids from their front yards in broad daylight.
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Wow. Just wow. I can't believe how many people walked by that little girl and did absolutely nothing. I've always taught my kids to yell, "I don't know you!! You're not my mom" if someone were to try and abduct them. I can't believe that people didn't respond to that.

Way to go for those 3 guys. There are still some caring people in our world.
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What amazed me the most is that as soon as those guys reacted, two others (the guy in the car and the little old lady who dialed 911) reacted as well. It was like as a group; if people were ignoring it then every one ignored it... but as a group; if someone was going to react then everyone was going to react. You know? Strange world... but I gotta say, the one thing this made me think is that if I hear a kid yelling like that I will absolutly react now. I will be that first person that starts the avalanche of help, damit. And I will say I am sorry up one side and down the other if I am wrong, but better that person knows that someone would have helped their child if they really were in trouble than be like that poor mama sitting in the car watching her little girl get abducted over and over again and have NO ONE do anything to help. Bad actress or not... I would help now. 100%
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What amazed me the most is that as soon as those guys reacted, two others (the guy in the car and the little old lady who dialed 911) reacted as well. It was like as a group; if people were ignoring it then every one ignored it... but as a group; if someone was going to react then everyone was going to react. You know? Strange world... but I gotta say, the one thing this made me think is that if I hear a kid yelling like that I will absolutly react now. I will be that first person that starts the avalanche of help, damit. And I will say I am sorry up one side and down the other if I am wrong, but better that person knows that someone would have helped their child if they really were in trouble than be like that poor mama sitting in the car watching her little girl get abducted over and over again and have NO ONE do anything to help.

I was noticing that...my first thought was that the guy in the car was probably slowing, and checking out the situation, and as soon as the other guys looked like they were taking it seriously, he jumped in, too. That's how it seemed to me, anyway.

I have never seen anything like that, but I have always been the one stopping and either watching a confused, upset looking kid, or one that looks too young to be on it's own, til I see an adult with them somewhere in the vicinity, or else I go up to them and ask if they are okay, and help them if necessary. I could never live with myself if I saw that kid later on the news as a missing kid.
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I had mixed feelings about the girl's reaction to the man. First, I believe and my children have been taught this, that my children would be making every effot to hurt the man. There would be more panic in their voices. She seemed to calm. Also, is a real attacker going to keep going as she is screaming? Would he not panic and leave? He is bringing too much attention to himself? All of this would be going through my mind. I am not saying I would not do something. I would at least make sure it was a parent/child confontation and not an attacker/victim situation. But, I can easily see many assuming it is a parent/child situation. Doesn't the media overplay what spoiled brats children today are?

So what would you change about what you have been teaching your children for situations like this? What is one thing that would get strangers involved more quickly? I am not sure. I know for me more panic in the voice but how do you teach that? I have taught mine to do what is possible to inflict pain (w/o drawing blood). That would draw my attention more. Most young children will not purposely attempt to physically hurt their parents. Yes, some will, but not most. Even a child having a tantrum yelling you are not my parent usually is not physically violent. What else?
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I had mixed feelings about the girl's reaction to the man. First, I believe and my children have been taught this, that my children would be making every effot to hurt the man. There would be more panic in their voices. She seemed to calm. Also, is a real attacker going to keep going as she is screaming? Would he not panic and leave? He is bringing too much attention to himself? All of this would be going through my mind. I am not saying I would not do something. I would at least make sure it was a parent/child confontation and not an attacker/victim situation. But, I can easily see many assuming it is a parent/child situation. Doesn't the media overplay what spoiled brats children today are?

So what would you change about what you have been teaching your children for situations like this? What is one thing that would get strangers involved more quickly? I am not sure. I know for me more panic in the voice but how do you teach that? I have taught mine to do what is possible to inflict pain (w/o drawing blood). That would draw my attention more. Most young children will not purposely attempt to physically hurt their parents. Yes, some will, but not most. Even a child having a tantrum yelling you are not my parent usually is not physically violent. What else?
have you seen the video of the older teenage girl who was kidnapped here in florida awhile back? here name is escaping me at the moment but she was in front of a store of some type and the man just walked up and pulled her along with him. she resisted but she didn't kick or hit or really stop right away.

I think human nature is to wait and see. A kid doesn't really think "oh I am being kidnapped right now" when person walks up and pulls them along with them, their mind is trying to adapt what is happening to something they understand. I know if someone grabbed me in a busy place and just started walking with me my VERY FIRST reaction would not be anger it would be confusion. they might get me a little way while I was trying to think who they are, do I know them, did I do something wrong, then I would try to kick their ass if I still had time. We tell kids to mind and be good for teachers, and people at church, and other kids parents, and their aunts and uncles, it is all just adults. first instinct isn't life threatening fear, it is "am I in trouble fear" I think. So that little girl being dragged along makes sense for how it would happen for most kids.

I have told spinner that in this type of situtation he should yell "call the police, this is not my mom/dad, help" We also ACT things out. and I have taught him how if he stays on his feet I can drag him along. but if he simply drops to the ground and lays there it is WAY harder and more time consuming to pick him up. we have acted that out too. I showed him how I could pull him along with me if he stood or tried to pull against me, and how when he flopped onto the ground and stayed there I couldn't lift him easily and quickly.

After seeing this video I am going to tell him if people are around to make eye contact with a person. talk to them directly. say "hey you lady, please help! call the police for me please, my name is Spinner, please help." Specifically calling to a person might have a better affect than general help yells.

I was crying as I watched that. I know I would not have jumped on him as soon as it started but I can say with no doubt that I would have followed along behind them until I felt certain it wasn't her dad then I would have acted.
Spinner has never done it to me but a friends kid once yelled they weren't their parents in the grocery store, it happens.
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