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I don't worry because I'm Buddhist, lol! The Rapture to me just means shorter lines at my local coffee shop.
Hey there!
Does Buddhism have anything anywhere like a kind of "end times" theory?
I wonder if other religions have a "end times" type of teaching? It seems that they (religions) all have somewhat similar creation stories....This thread is making me think to the other end of it.
The Rapture to me just means shorter lines at my local coffee shop.
But all those "unmanned" cars will cause you some traffic problems.
I was raised Christian, and never once believed in the Rapture, nor did the rest of our congregation. I only learned of it when I went to college and majored in religious studies.
After reading some responses....(still reading) then the anti-Christ would have to be on the earth now?
I've always told my dh that Bush is the anti-Christ.......(I know everyone is laughing now)
So, doesn't that person have to be making headlines/be known before any Rapture, or tribulation (hope I'm using the correct terms here) or any of that?
Boy, I look like a total loser responding all by myself.
I'd like to hear some of our LDS mamas respond. It has been years, but I thought the LDS teachings were slightly different. Like, mainstream Christianity (some of it)belives the faithful will be literally taken up or raptured....but I think I remember LDS teaching that all the LDS faithfull will be called to Zion where they will be safe, but will still be here on earth? (and not raptured) Zion being somewhere in Missouri....I also thought I read that this is where the garden of eden literally was located???
I need to pull out my LDS books....but I think this viewpoint will add to this discussion if a active LDS mama can jump in since I'm not a representative of the LDS faith. (just a former member with a foggy memory....like I said, I need to drag out my LDS books)
Ok, jmo here. I believe that the rapture theory is totally bunk.I'm a fairly conserv. christian. But scripturally, without taking these verses out of context, the ones used to support the theory, and by actually reading through revelations without a preconceived notion of the rapture you see it's not biblically sound.
The anti-christ will come and we will have seven years of peace. then after hie reign of terror, the Lord will come back to earth. The sky roll roll back and every eye will see, every knee will boy and acknowledge him as Lord. This is where he destroys Satan, the antichrist and takes up his believers. In reveltions it talks about a great deception. I think this rapture theory is part of that. It's providing, consciously or not, a false sense of hope. Look at the "Left Behind" series of books. These "christians" were left behind for not having a true faith, but are able to redeem themselves afterwards.
There is a sense that there will be a second chance. Also it teaches that the antichrist will come AFTER the rapture. This also will confuse christians. The antichrist will come, and many will not believe he is who he is, they will be fooled because "it can't be the AC, the rapture hasn't happened".
And lastly, sorry for jumpin around a bit, the SECOND coming of Christ will be after the tribulation, after the LAST trumpet sounds. So the first coming was a man on earth. The second coming is when he comes to destroy the earth, his final coming. There is no where, at all, in anyway a mention in the bible about a middle coming, of a second then thrid coming. There are 2, not 3. He won't come and rapture his people secretly and then come again. I mean, what would the rapture be, Jesus version 1.5? lol, sorry hee hee.
Ok, please please no flamage... just offering my thoughts, views and beliefs on it.
Ok, there is my opinion and what I have learned through alot of reading, research, talking, and debating. This is what I learned by
I've got to pull the rest of those scriptures out. There are a bunch like the ones above that relate to sparing the faithful from wrath. If not by rapture, how will they be spared?
I think this is sparing them the wrath of the Lord as he destroys the earth after the tribulation. And for the church being around for the tribulation, of course it will, imo. Christians will be persecuted and killed during that period, and Christians are warned against accepting the mark of the beast, which is only something that occurs after the antichrist has come into power.
I think the rapture gives people the feeling that they can basically be a lukewarm christian, or don't have to believe/follow. But once the see the "rapture" it's proof of their beliefs, and then they will have a second chance to redeem themselves before Christs final coming.
Great Points! Sort of hit why I just haven't been convinced of the rapture,,it doesn't totally fit in with what I have understood is in the future....
Momof6~ OMGolly, I have said the same stinking thing so many times! LOL! And I am registered Republican! When do we get to have coffee? Oh, I know,,next time I drive 8 hours,,,or you could come see me! LOL!
I guess I think that we will (this generation)see the AC come into his false glory..I suspect he is someone we "know" now,,someone looked up to in the world but hasn't really stepped out there as a huge leader and changer of the world,,I sort of doubt is really is "W" because he would have to do so much and change so much to become the "great hero" and deceiver of the world that the Bible claims,,I think too many people dislike and distrust him for him to be the one. plus I am sure the AC will be able to pronouce nuclear....but of course I could be wrong....
Would one look up "rapture" in the topical index? Or are there other names commonly used?
The word rapture is not in the bible. In fact there is no term or mention of this at all. It's not even discussed. The sections of the bible supossedly pertaining to this are, "he will come like a theif in the night", and the verse about "one will be taken and the other left".
At work and off the top of my head can't think of them. The verse about a thief in the night, pertains to the fact that Jesus will come unexpectedly. Think about it, a theif is never expected. But it also happens after the final trumpet sounds and he comes in the clouds for all the world to see. People use this verse to say that he will come silently, hence the "mysterious" secretive rapture theory.
The verse about one person being taken and the other left, once again if read in context, is something that again happens AFTER the very last trumpet sounds and he comes in all his glory, not secretly.
The rapture theory came about early in the last century, originating in the Catholic church. Not sure if it's taught in the catholic church, but that's where it stemmed from. A young girl, early teens, had a dreams about this whole secret rapture thing. She told her mother about it, and her mother told the priest and it was assumed to be a vision of some sort. Now as I've come to see about 40-50% of Protestant christian churches teach this as doctrine.
It's quite interesting to research this topic and to really study revelations. You have to read and study it from the point of view of someone 2000 years ago or so.Terms, descriptions, etc are all based on the knowledge, culture, technology(or lack of) and understanding of those times.
There really is so much, a concordance is good to use, as it will help explain the different meanings. And the bible version you use will really affect the way things are worded and portrayed.
Ok, babbling again, I love discussions like this and being able to see people's points of view.
ETA: pardon the spelling mistakes, I type really fast, but think faster than I type, hee hee
Last edited by sweetladyaz : 06-03-2005 at 04:21 PM.
Great Points! Sort of hit why I just haven't been convinced of the rapture,,it doesn't totally fit in with what I have understood is in the future....
Momof6~ OMGolly, I have said the same stinking thing so many times! LOL! And I am registered Republican! When do we get to have coffee? Oh, I know,,next time I drive 8 hours,,,or you could come see me! LOL!
I guess I think that we will (this generation)see the AC come into his false glory..I suspect he is someone we "know" now,,someone looked up to in the world but hasn't really stepped out there as a huge leader and changer of the world,,I sort of doubt is really is "W" because he would have to do so much and change so much to become the "great hero" and deceiver of the world that the Bible claims,,I think too many people dislike and distrust him for him to be the one. plus I am sure the AC will be able to pronouce nuclear....but of course I could be wrong....
I can't belive it! LOL I'm not the only one who has said this. One of these days, we will get together for coffee.
Ok, jmo here. I believe that the rapture theory is totally bunk.I'm a fairly conserv. christian. But scripturally, without taking these verses out of context, the ones used to support the theory, and by actually reading through revelations without a preconceived notion of the rapture you see it's not biblically sound.
The anti-christ will come and we will have seven years of peace. then after hie reign of terror, the Lord will come back to earth. The sky roll roll back and every eye will see, every knee will boy and acknowledge him as Lord. This is where he destroys Satan, the antichrist and takes up his believers. In reveltions it talks about a great deception. I think this rapture theory is part of that. It's providing, consciously or not, a false sense of hope. Look at the "Left Behind" series of books. These "christians" were left behind for not having a true faith, but are able to redeem themselves afterwards.
There is a sense that there will be a second chance. Also it teaches that the antichrist will come AFTER the rapture. This also will confuse christians. The antichrist will come, and many will not believe he is who he is, they will be fooled because "it can't be the AC, the rapture hasn't happened".
And lastly, sorry for jumpin around a bit, the SECOND coming of Christ will be after the tribulation, after the LAST trumpet sounds. So the first coming was a man on earth. The second coming is when he comes to destroy the earth, his final coming. There is no where, at all, in anyway a mention in the bible about a middle coming, of a second then thrid coming. There are 2, not 3. He won't come and rapture his people secretly and then come again. I mean, what would the rapture be, Jesus version 1.5? lol, sorry hee hee.
Ok, please please no flamage... just offering my thoughts, views and beliefs on it.
Ok, there is my opinion and what I have learned through alot of reading, research, talking, and debating. This is what I learned by
Amber,
No flames here. I find your post really really interesting. Ready to hear more of what you have to say.
Really very very fascinating. I always wondered how the viewpoint like in the Left Behind books came about since I don't see it that way in the Bible.
The word rapture is not in the bible. In fact there is no term or mention of this at all. It's not even discussed. The sections of the bible supossedly pertaining to this are, "he will come like a theif in the night", and the verse about "one will be taken and the other left".
At work and off the top of my head can't think of them. The verse about a thief in the night, pertains to the fact that Jesus will come unexpectedly. Think about it, a theif is never expected. But it also happens after the final trumpet sounds and he comes in the clouds for all the world to see. People use this verse to say that he will come silently, hence the "mysterious" secretive rapture theory.
The verse about one person being taken and the other left, once again if read in context, is something that again happens AFTER the very last trumpet sounds and he comes in all his glory, not secretly.
The rapture theory came about early in the last century, originating in the Catholic church. Not sure if it's taught in the catholic church, but that's where it stemmed from. A young girl, early teens, had a dreams about this whole secret rapture thing. She told her mother about it, and her mother told the priest and it was assumed to be a vision of some sort. Now as I've come to see about 40-50% of Protestant christian churches teach this as doctrine.
It's quite interesting to research this topic and to really study revelations. You have to read and study it from the point of view of someone 2000 years ago or so.Terms, descriptions, etc are all based on the knowledge, culture, technology(or lack of) and understanding of those times.
There really is so much, a concordance is good to use, as it will help explain the different meanings. And the bible version you use will really affect the way things are worded and portrayed.
Ok, babbling again, I love discussions like this and being able to see people's points of view.
ETA: pardon the spelling mistakes, I type really fast, but think faster than I type, hee hee
This is fascinating! I have not looked in my Bible yet since I honestly am a bit perplexed by Revelation and still am learning the basics. (still in Matthew...reading slowly comparing three translations)
This has got to be one of my favorite subjects: history and theology. I love looking at things from a historical and scientific point of view, to know what the truth is vs. what i'm being told is the truth, if that makes sense.
I'll have to take some time here at the office today and gather some links/info to share. I don't want to push anything on anyone, but offer up what I have found out. It's always good to share knowledge.
My mother once had joined a christian church that turned out to be a cult. It seriously shook her faith, and ever since then she has believed and instilled in her family to always read, research and look into what your pastor/priest/etc is teaching instead of accepting whatever they say as truth. Make sure it is biblically sound.
Not that they are all bad, or purposefully misleading their congregation, but it's better to make sure.
There will be no secret rapture. This is a great topic to study! Sweetladyaz had some great points.
I do believe that the Rapture doctrine will lead many Christians to their own demise. And I do believe the second coming of Christ is very near. Christians will be here thru the tribulation, but it won't neccesarily last 7 years.
Those who keep the commandments of God and believe in Him will have the Seal of God. Those who do not will have the mark of the Beast.
There are some WONDERFUL videos that you can watch online for free about this subject. The second one is on the rapture. The whole series is about prophecy and Revelation. Fascinating and some of my personal favorites. These were taped in March of this year, but are, of course, still relevent since this stuff does not change.
Here's the link: The Prophecy Code
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