spiritual discussionsThis is the place at AW for mamas to learn about all different religions and beliefs, to ask questions, to give answers- all done with respect! if you don't have anything nice to say here- don't say anything at all.
Well, I am sorry I could not clear it up. I will say that alot of General Authorities have quoted and referred to the Mormon Doctrine in their talks. I am not gonna say it is the ONLY thing to refer to to get information. I also feel that fretting over some topics is just looking for a reason to dispute something. I had a dear friend who left the church b/c of something so minor and detailed that I cannot even remember what it was. Do I "hold that against her"? No! She has the right to her beliefs and choices just as I do, and so do you. BUT....I believe in the Book of Mormon, Bible, Doctrine and Covenants and have a strong testimony of Christ and his resurrection. Can I prove any of it? NO, but I have had my personal witness and I dont need to have it "proved" to me.
OK, I am getting off on a tangent, just excuse me and I will go back to lurking like I usually do....
I'm so sorry if I came across as challenging the validity of your belief or anything. Not my intention at all!! I am not a angry former member (worked through the "angry" stage a while ago)....I have much fondness for the church but am honest in what I post regarding what I personally experienced and feel. I can only pray that I come across as sincere and I apologize if my post above was hurtful to you in any manner. I totally support those who believe whatever they believe. (Articles of Faith #11 is still believed by me...as well as bits and pieces here and there of other doctrine)
My leaving was over more than one major doctrinal issue...I just dont' want you to assume I am like your dear friend. I took the study and decision to leave very very seriously and wanted to find reasons to stay in the church... but it did not turn out that way.
I totally agree with you about leaders quoting Mormon Doctrine. They also will often quote various former Prophets in the church through their Discourses and that always totally confused me. I used both of those in my talks in our local church also.....but it was also those (starting with the Discourses of Brigham Young) that caused me to seriously begin to ask my local leaders questions that set my feet on the path of doctrine/historical church research, more questions, which unfortunately led me out of the church....but that is a whole other boring topic that I won't waste time on here! I do mean unfortunately because my life would have been a lot less complicated and stressful had I never started that study in the first place, but I can't go back and turn back time.
Please don't go back to lurking...I was not challenging the vaidity of your belief with my response to your post. I was honestly expressing how some leaders saying something is OK and others not OK totally confused me back when I was a member and even now as a supportive/interested inactive-but-now-Episcopalian-member. *lol*
Reason why is I've used and quoted Mormon Doctrine before and have been rebuked for doing so and was told that this was not considered doctrine. But I had been told that it was indeed considered to be doctrinally sound by my former stake president (when I was active)....but if women here who are members have been told it is NOT to be considered doctrine/doctrinally sound, then that is very very very inconsistent of what members are being told IS and IS NOT doctrine, KWIM?
Michelle
Michelle-that is what I have heard too. In fact, I will be at deseret books today and I will pick up a copy to look at it.
I talked to dh...and he said that Mormon Doctrine (as well as Jesus the Christ and Miracle of Forgiveness) are not doctrine....they are reflections of an apostle on doctrine.
No Michelle, you did not offend me. I just lurk alot more than I post. I only post when it is something I am interested in or know about. ALot of the stuff here I am reading b/c it is "new" to me and I want to learn(like breastfeeding, I have been unsuccessful so far). I can understand your situation and was not trying to come off offended. I love talking about stuff like this.
No Michelle, you did not offend me. I just lurk alot more than I post. I only post when it is something I am interested in or know about. ALot of the stuff here I am reading b/c it is "new" to me and I want to learn(like breastfeeding, I have been unsuccessful so far). I can understand your situation and was not trying to come off offended. I love talking about stuff like this.
Whew! I'm glad.
Sometimes when I say "former" member, it gives the impression I am "anti", KWIM? that is why I now use the term "inactive" mostly....since we never did remove our names formally.
I need to dig up my copy of Mormon Doctrine and see the inside of the front of the book. I do think there is a "disclaimer" that it is not to be taken as official doctrine. That is a bit confusing with the title of the book being "Mormon Doctrine", KWIM? I no longer have my book Jesus The Christ and Marvelous Work and Wonder but I know those were used by missionaries for investigators. I sold those two books. I think the only ones I still have are my Quad and Mormon Doctrine. I sometimes wish I had not sold off my entire LDS library, but I did it when I was mad at the church right when I left. I'm just glad I held onto my quad as I do still read it on occasion.
The "disclaimer" or Preface in my copy says:
This work on MORMON DOCTRINE is designed to help pserons seeking salvation to gain that knowledge of God and his laws without which they cannot hope for an inheritance in the celestial city.
Since it is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance of GOd and his laws, and since man is saved no faster than he gains knowledge of Jesus Christ and the plan of salvation, it follows that men are obligated at their peril to learn and apply the true doctrines of the gospel.
This gospel compendium will enable men, more effectively, to "teach one another the doctrine of the kingdom"; to be "instructed more perfectly in theory, in principle, in doctrine, in the law of the gospel, in all things that pertain unto the kingdom of God, that are expedient" for them "to understand." (D&C 88:77-78)
For the work itself, I assume sole and full responsibility.
Salt Lake City, Utah
June 1, 1958
Signed, Bruce R. McConkie
I also whole heartedly agree with you about the 11th Article of Faith btw.
__________________
Suzanne ~ mama to my honor student Peter 11/2/89, my kind and caring Andrew 1/16/94, apple of my eye Samuel 6/5/98, and chichi princess Sophie 10/25/02
"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may"
"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may"
I'm not LDS, but I agree with that too! Thanks for answering my question.
I am not a angry former member (worked through the "angry" stage a while ago)....I have much fondness for the church but am honest in what I post regarding what I personally experienced and feel. I can only pray that I come across as sincere and I apologize if my post above was hurtful to you in any manner. I totally support those who believe whatever they believe. (Articles of Faith #11 is still believed by me...as well as bits and pieces here and there of other doctrine)
I'm not LDS, but I agree with that too! Thanks for answering my question. 
Linear Mode
