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Yes, the New Era is the "Teen" magazine, the Friend is for the younger children, and the Ensign is for the adults. The church also puts out a weekly or bi-weekly newspaper call The Church News which gives more recent articles about what is going on.
Yes, the New Era is the "Teen" magazine, the Friend is for the younger children, and the Ensign is for the adults. The church also puts out a weekly or bi-weekly newspaper call The Church News which gives more recent articles about what is going on.
Ah yes!!! We use to get all of them (well, except the New Era since we did not have teens back when we were active).....good publications with neat ideas in them.
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Could someone please clarify this for me...
I've been told that women in the LDS church can not attain the god position unless thier dh's do and if they are divorced they can not at all. But then I've also been told that if an LDS couple divorces and the dh remarries and reaches godhood that the first wife will be by his side and the second won't (not sure what happens to the second wife)
so how do LDS women fit into the afterlife?
I've been told that women in the LDS church can not attain the god position unless thier dh's do and if they are divorced they can not at all. But then I've also been told that if an LDS couple divorces and the dh remarries and reaches godhood that the first wife will be by his side and the second won't (not sure what happens to the second wife)
so how do LDS women fit into the afterlife?
That was a huge issue with me personally. Nobody (meaning a higher up) could show me where teachings were totally solid on what happens in these various situations.
I was given silly answers to try to make me shut up to equality questions and that did have a small part in my leaving.
Men are allowed to know their wives special names (that everyone gets in the Temple ceremony) but women are forbidden from knowing their husbands special name. Men are to call their wives into glory with that name etc....
LDS mamas, I hope I am OK with not giving away any info about Temple that I should not. I try to still honor that and not say anything specific. If I crossed the line above with that info about the names, please let me know and I'll delete it out of respect for you all.
The name thing in the temple is strictly symbolic. It is not chosen by inspiration. It's symbolic of our obedient side and disobedient side. And my name in the temple is not going to be my name in the afterlife. Same for dh. The fact that men hear the name and women don't could be just a reminder that our exhaltation is dependant on each other. I believe it is a matter of responsibility and accountability. Men ARE in fact leaders of the family-like it or not-and they are responsible to a higher degree on certain factors than women are. Women are not less than men, but we each have different primary objectives.
And more on the name thing, in the pre-existance, Jessica probably wasnt my name then, so chances are it won't be my ONLY name after.
Also, the temple ceremony, it is normally looked at too literally. One of its undertones is the separation of ones physical body and spiritual being. It is not necessarily the individual roles of the woman and individual roles of the man. The man and woman are symbolic of physical and spiritual.
Also just because a woman ends up being sealed to someone who becomes unworthy, doesnt mean she wont get exhalted. Its not her fault that he broke his covenant. There isnt any doctrine to back up what Im about to say, but logically I would assume that in the afterlife, if the woman kept her covenants then it would be worked out for her. Because God is infintely merciful and infinitely just. And btw, it would be a 2 way street.
Michelle, I think you doing just fine and thank you for your respect.
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P.s. Rebecca, I think just about any religion could qualify as a Mystery based religion.
Christianity itself is a mystery based religion. Crosses and communion/sacrament would be examples of symbols. Baptism or being saved would be the example of initiation.
FTR the Wikipedia project is not academic research because just about anyone could post an essay.
P.s. Rebecca, I think just about any religion could qualify as a Mystery based religion.
Christianity itself is a mystery based religion. Crosses and communion/sacrament would be examples of symbols. Baptism or being saved would be the example of initiation.
FTR the Wikipedia project is not academic research because just about anyone could post an essay.
Ummm, I'm well aware what Wikipedia is. I just happen to think that page on Mystery-Religions was well done and informative.
I disagree that almost any religion could qualify as a mystery-religion, *especially* by how they are actually practiced & applied, not merely how they look on paper --- but that is neither here nor there, and not sure why we're splitting hairs about this.
I think the article was interesting. In my church we call sacraments Mysteries. In our communion prayer, we say "...I will not reveal your mysteries to your enemies, nor give you a kiss as did Judas...". This comes from ancient times when Christians were persecuted. Christianity, in its early days, was a mystery based religion in order to protect itself. Maybe it isn't necessary anymore.
I can't think of anything that would make Christianity a mystery religion today. Sure there are things that we can't really understand at this point such as how can Jesus be fully God and yet fully man but the majority of Christianity (LDS being an obvious exception here, there may be others but I'm talking about mainstream Christianity) don't have any "secret beliefs" that only certain people are allowed to know. Not that I can think of anyway. *shrug* We are all allowed to own bibles today and in countries where they aren't it's because of the government, not because our beliefs say you aren't allowed to know this. There are lots of ministries world-wide with the specific purpose of getting bibles to people who don't have one so all the info is available.
BTW, Jeni, I just moved from Virginia Beach a few months ago. I miss it bad!
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I can't think of anything that would make Christianity a mystery religion today. Sure there are things that we can't really understand at this point such as how can Jesus be fully God and yet fully man but the majority of Christianity (LDS being an obvious exception here, there may be others but I'm talking about mainstream Christianity) don't have any "secret beliefs" that only certain people are allowed to know. Not that I can think of anyway. *shrug* We are all allowed to own bibles today and in countries where they aren't it's because of the government, not because our beliefs say you aren't allowed to know this. There are lots of ministries world-wide with the specific purpose of getting bibles to people who don't have one so all the info is available.
Very valid points. Exactly part of my point. Thanks for sharing.
Being a Mystery Tradition has nothing to do with having secrets that others aren't allowed to know.
Being a Mystery tradition has to do with how we deal with the unknown. Mystery is based on the contact between this world and what lies intaingible just beyond. IT has to do with how we interact with the unseen, with God, and how those interactions affect and change our daily attitudes and rpactices. And of course it has to do with how much of the religious life is connected to/with access to the Mystery.
I lke this definition: "Mysteries are a set of esoteric principles that govern existence, the personal implementation of which theoretically produce "enlightenment." "
I can think of a number of Mysteries within various branches of the CHristian church:
1. Transubstantiation (actually, i want to include all rites of communion as a mystery. it's really a matter of perception)
2. Speaking in Tongues
3. the resurrection of Christ
4. The Trinity
5. salvation
6. ecstatic prayer/worship
I'm sure I could htink of more. The point is, Christianity certainly has it's own Mysteries, though in many Protestant denominations those Mysteries have largely been pushed aside in favor of the more exoteric aspects of religion: dogma. But that doesn't mean the Mysteries don't exist.
A Mystery Tradition is a religion in which contact with God and understanding of God is *primarily* based on it's mystical aspects. So I wouldn't call the whole of CHristianity a mystery tradition, though it certainly has the hallmarks, as does every major world religion. All religions have some aspect of mysticism. But I would certainly say that Catholicism is by and large a Mystery faith, and to some extent so is Episcopalianism/Anglicanism.
Anise, that would explain the use of the word "mysteries" for sacraments in my church. I think the use of the word comes from the Greek, as do most words in my church usage. Also, it explains the prayer's usage of the word. I guess my cursory reading of that passage from Wikipedia was a little too cursory! (Or, I am just dumb.)
Being a Mystery Tradition has nothing to do with having secrets that others aren't allowed to know.
This is what I was going by on the site Becca posted:
"A mystery religion is any religion with an arcanum, or body of secret wisdom. In a mystery religion, an inner core of beliefs, practices, and the religion's true nature, are revealed only to those who have been initiated into its secrets."
"mystery religions do not produce a body of scripture that is claimed to be "revealed" by the prophet of a deity."
"For the other two general forms of religions, compare the public revelations embodied in a written scripture that are characteristic of any "revealed religion""
I guess I'm a little confused then. Is this source not defining the term correctly? I guess there is a down side to using a lay source instead of an actual encyclopedia.
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