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Can someone clarify something about the Trinity for me?
In the Catholic church it is believed that God and Jesus are the same person? But I often hear them referred to as God the Father and Jesus the Son which would imply seperate identifications. I heard a Vatican Cardinal refer to Jesus as our elder brother and God referred to as our father. I understand that they are one in purpose, but all references I have heard from the Catholic church have implied that they are seperate in being.
Can someone clarify?
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H2O can come in many forms- God can too... ice, steam and water- they are all the same H2O but in different forms. God is the father, Jesus is the Son but is also God incarnate, and the Holy Spirit is the way God lives within us and works within us. Does that help at all? Jesus was man and God, and is therefore our brother.
Its like this.
God would be like water... you feel it run thru your hands
Jesus would be like ice ... water but in solid form. Its the same thing, just a different form of it.
And the holy spirit is like a mist... water in yet another form.
hard to grasp, but thats the way I've been taught
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Those explainations do make sense, but who was Jesus calling out to in the Garden? He speaks out to God his Father.
this is why I get confused.
My husband has tried to explain the trinity to me as being like an egg-shell/yolk/white being all different parts of the egg, but still making an Egg when all together. I like the water explaination better
Because God is so incomprehensible in His entirety to the human mind, you may never know - at least while you are on earth! (That's one reason it's believed He sent Jesus, so that we could better relate to Him. )
Maybe its the wording that makes it confusing to me. If he is one God 3 forms, but he SENT Jesus, then he didnt actually send Jesus, he just changed into him? I mean yes, water can have 3 forms, but one glass of water cannot be in all 3 forms at the same time. Portions of it could, yes, but then you are breaking it up into 3 seperate sections.
Maybe its the wording that makes it confusing to me. If he is one God 3 forms, but he SENT Jesus, then he didnt actually send Jesus, he just changed into him? I mean yes, water can have 3 forms, but one glass of water cannot be in all 3 forms at the same time. Portions of it could, yes, but then you are breaking it up into 3 seperate sections.
Good way of putting it! I was raised Catholic and I never understood this myself. Everytime I take the beliefnet quiz I come up LDS for that reason.
Keep in mind that the concept of the Trinity is called a Mystery: it's a truth that isn't necessarily supposed to be understood intellectually, but accepted spiritually.
I've always felt that God "poured" part of himself into the body of Christ (going with the water analogy).
So Jesus IS God.
But is also separate from God. He lived His life on earth as a human, therefore he viewed God as The Father, just as we do
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so I have a question... how did Mary give birth to Jesus, if He was God?
I'm genuinely curious... I mean, if God is the literal father of Jesus, then you're saying He's father to Himself?
(see why I like the LDS belief of them being separate people? It's easier to wrap my mind aroudn )
God came to earth in human form so that we could relate to him that is why mary gave birth to Jesus, and yes he is father to himself lol I know it is very hard to wrap your mind around that is why we have faith, because we can not understand and we just trust in God that it is all true.
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That's right - Jesus was all God and all man. Another mystery left to faith! I think Jesus is referred to as the son because He was always the example for the rest of us, also sons and daughters of God the Father. I mean, it would have been confusing(More confusing!) to call them both just God!
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