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MomMom~ at the risk of becoming unpopular very quickly...
I just don't believe in "g-d" as the traditional "Father in Heaven" we were all told "he" was. I don't think he is this kindly, gray-haired father figure sitting on this throne up in a cloud. If this were the case- HOW indeed could this happen?
No one could rationally understand or be at peace with the idea/belief of a Heavenly Father who would allow (not stop) an enormous, horrific tradegy like this...how could he? Where were the angels? the miracles? Why did so many die in such a horrible violent manner?
I personally feel, in a very visceral sense, we all are part of a Universal spirtual energy. We are on different planes, different realms. Bad and good exsist in different realms; positive and negitive, yin and yang. I embrace Kirshnamurti's teaching of "it just is" and no judgement- as hard as that may be. I try to refrain from using the term "I believe" because a belief is something someone told you that is (supposedly) true. I prefer to "embrace" which is a truth which reaches my spirit and I resonate with...
I do not intend to hurt or offend anyone but this is my response; I am respectful of everyone and their opinion/beliefs. I am confident we all can discuss, share and support each other with the Universal love we all share.
As a non-religious person, I have been accused of being non-spiritual and Anti-God. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am peaceful and non-judgemental, even with myself.
MomMom, Allow yourself to feel what you are feeling without judgement. Allow youself to ask questions and to question what you have learned. Question your beleifs, your doubts and learn from this experience without judgement, guilt or fear of retrobution. You will not be struck by lightening or burn in "h-e-double hockey sticks"! These are your feelings and you are allowed to ask.
I am sorry to have rambled on...Namaste'
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Well, I always hesitate to respond about spiritual matters...my beliefs are simplistic and I am not very eloquent in the way I express my feelings. So, here goes...I think that death of this life if not a punishment, if you believe in God. I used to think that this life was the main event and if I was good, I would get to enjoy an afterlife with my heavenly Father. I realize now that this life is not the main event, but more of a dress rehearsal. Afterlife is the main event. So, It is a horrible thing for those that lost love ones, are left behind sick and hurt and broken hearted. But for the thousands that were believers and went home, it is not a bad thing...it is a joyous thing. For the people left behind, we need to show them God's healing grace and reach out to them with prayer, $, and any other resources we have that can help.
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"death of this life is not a punishment."... what a beautiful way to put it, Tammy. Even though I have different views of what happens after you die, I agree with the spirit of what you said.
As for the millions that didn't die but are suffering, I couldn't offer any spiritual interpretation of it from the outside, I just have to do whatever I can to help.
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Tammy I like your response, it was very well stated.
It is so hard when things like this happen, natural disasters, sick family members, little children etc. The important thing to remember is that it saddens God as much as it does us. Yes he does have the power to "Fix" things or "stop" things but even though we somehow could never fathom what his reasons are he does have them. Nothing happens in this world without his knowledge so to sit back and wonder why did you let it happen is something that we can't help but think.
Personally in my own beliefs I think I kind of understand why this happened and I think I'll open up a whole can of worms if I say anything but I completely believe in the rapture and second coming of Christ and in the bible it says that certain things need to and will happen in the end times and I firmly believe that we are in the end times and these natural disasters are part of the signs. Unfortunately it is sad for us to see and witness and be a part of but I believe it is all part of His plan.
I think that if you do believe in God that you just talk to him about your feelings, he knows your having them so you can't really hide them anyway so let them out, ask him for comfort and for answers, he will show them to you.
Thanks for the replies mamas. I have been having a really hard time lately. With everything....I have been praying alot and telling God how angry I am. I hope things change soon.
I'll open up a whole can of worms if I say anything but I completely believe in the rapture and second coming of Christ and in the bible it says that certain things need to and will happen in the end times and I firmly believe that we are in the end times and these natural disasters are part of the signs. Unfortunately it is sad for us to see and witness and be a part of but I believe it is all part of His plan.
well spoken. I agree. Its hard and it hurts and its sad. but its all part of His plan
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The pastor at our new church had a great message about this, this past Sunday. One thing I like that he emphasized, was that God doesn't make things happen, he allows it. In the Bible it talks about all the sin in our world and our own personal sin... and how there is always going to be hurting and devastation because of it. This is a good time for Christians to show their love and support and be there for people hurt by tradgey.
It's so sad
I'm not Christian, however I respect everyone's personal opinions and beliefs.
I don't think the Gods had anything to do with the tsunami. Within my spiritual path our main belief that all other aspects of our tradition is built upon is called Dallethys. Dallethys is truly *the* unifying and central concept/belief of the Pellor Tradition. It is not suffice to say that Dallethys means "good" or merely "right." It is far more complex, as well as subtle, than that. It is the central and very essences of all that Pellorys teaches. It is a multi-layered and complex belief... yet, at the same time, it simply "is".
Ok, so what is it then? When we were discussing "Good and Evil" - and what we call that -- it could be stated that Dallethys is this "Good". Dallethys could be stated as the "natural order" or the "right order"... the "Truthful essence of All"... the way things were "intended to be"... the natural "alignment" or "balance" of all things. Dallethys is found in everything -- and is supposed to be emulated in all that Pellors do -- thoughts, words, deeds, etc. A Pellor must always follow Dallethys (The Right Way) in order to restore Dallethys (The Original Order). You could say that Dallethys is alignment or balance. Dallethys is not personal, so anything that it "does" it does without judgement on a personal level -- it always seeks to restore balance -- that is its "goal."
SO... it is my opinion, and that of my tradition itself, that the tsunami was an act of Dallethys -- this was the "pendulum" of "balance" swinging back. It is most unfortunate that people were harmed in the process --- of course, we don't view death as an "end"... it is only another doorway to the next step.
I'm still, however, trying to wrap my brain/spiritual-beliefs around the loss of human life -- and how that fits into the scope of Dallethys. We do not believe that death is the end of life -- it is just the end of that human life.
.... anyway, that is what I have to share right now on this. As more comes, I'll share. You all do the same.
was the result of the Earth's structure which was created by the creator (God) and the people who died were in the wrong place at the wrong time (when the wave went in)
They hopefully didn't suffer too horribly. The human body apparently can only register so much pain til it stops registering it. A brilliant aspect of the human body created by the creator.
We will mourn for those who were injured or killed. We were given the ability to feel empathy and compassion.
You can loose your faith if it is the belief that God will not let anything bad happen to good people. Your belief in that idea is what you are mad at......it appears to be wrong and you are upset that you can't count on that to be true.
It is good to question faith here and there. It helps you refine it. It helps you come to new understandings about our existence.
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Rebecca, your description of the Dallethys reminds me a lot of the concept of the Tao.
Another way to look at it, that positive and negative forces are both God.
Originally posted by brooken Rebecca, your description of the Dallethys reminds me a lot of the concept of the Tao.
Another way to look at it, that positive and negative forces are both God.
Exactly! I would say that Tao and Dallethys are very much aligned, or similar concepts/beliefs. Good analogy.
I have been having a really hard time lately. With everything....I have been praying alot and telling God how angry I am. I hope things change soon.
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