The polls showed that McCain's ratings dropped after Palin was interviewed by Katie Couric and continued to slide from that point on.
Before that, McCain was leading in the polls.
The extreme left was never going to vote for McCain in the first place. People were excited when Palin was first announced but once she opened her mouth, McCain lost some supporters.
Dh and I were just talking about this very thing this morning. We agreed that McCain would be the president elect right now if he had chosen a different running mate.
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She hurt McCain's chances because of the extreme left's uproar over her & her conservative beliefs. It had nothing to do as her qualifications to be VICE president.
She didn't even know what the role of VP was! She said she was going to take charge of the Senate. Um...not according to Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution.
I think she hurt McCain because she couldn't answer basic questions when she was caught off script. JMHO.
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Dh and I were just talking about this very thing this morning. We agreed that McCain would be the president elect right now if he had chosen a different running mate.
I disagree. Palin brought the apathetic extreme righties to pull the lever for McCain. I don't think Palin helped or hurt. She brought in the extreme righties & ostricized some of the moderates.
I do think she charged some of the apathetic lefties. They made sure they voted for Obama. Mostly to vote against her.
Tikva, I want to ask something that might upset you, but I mean it in no way to hurt you or what you beleive, because I respect that.
What I want to know is this? Why is it then when there are to be peace talks and cease fires, Israel often still retaliates?
How can this possibly help?
Living in a land that everyone claims is there God given peice of ground is really tough because all those that beleive so will defend it to the end.
Obviously the US has not been too successful all these years.
Although we are still an Ally to Israel, what are we suppose to do that has not been done?
I don't think that I can state it without somehow coming off as bad . I don't think that you could understand unless it was your relative that was killed our shot (like mine was last year).
This summer around the fourth of July everyone was shooting off fireworks in our neighborhood. Gedalya didn't remember it from last year - and was frightened to the core. I think the 4th fell on a Friday night this past July. anway, Gedalya heard one go off - I was outside at the end of hte block talking to my neighbors when Gedalya heard it - ran screaming out of the house down the block toward me. His fear was palapable - he could not calm down and talked about it for a very long time after. I noted then that Gedalya was frightened from the sound of 1 or 2 fireworks. Extremely - where he had nightmares after. In Israel, little children, teenagers, etc live that fear all day and night every single day of their lives. They never know when is the next time that they are going to be bombed, run over by a bulldozer, exploded by a suicidal palestinain, etc.
The Palestinians only say they want peace. What they want is pieces of Israel and no more Israelis - until Israel is all theirs.
Obama was absent for the vast majority of the senatoral votes. And honestly, *I* don't think being a senator is a real job anyway. Most senators had real jobs before they were senators (Drs, attorneys, farmers, etc).
This part is me--Oh, sorry, I thought being a senator was a real job? Is president a real job? Of course, he did also serve as an associate and counsel at a law firm and taught law at a university.
"Yes we can" is most definitely race hype with its inference to the civil rights movement.
I don't get the connection here. It comes from "Si, se puede," a union slogan. I don't know of any inference to the civil rights movement. If you can explain, I'd be glad to hear it. :-) I will acknowledge that the feeling that it might give an African American supporting an African American for president might be different from the feeling I get from it, but I see it as so much more than that.
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I should have been more clear. In regards to the race thing I was referring to the media
Thanks for clarifying. I think Obama has very intentionally avoided making race a part of the discussion, but it has been huge in the media (and it was a significant element of McCain's concession speech).
Look at me, all multi-quoting for the first time. ETA: Okay, I didn't do such a great job of the multi-quoting--you can see that part of the first quote is actually me.
I want to be clear, I am Canadian...not American. I did live in the US for a bit though and have witnessed first hand the propaganda that you are inundated with. I realize it can be hard to see beyond that.
But here are the questions that I haven't seen answered...
If taxes aren't raised WHO pays for the war? Because really, a country spends money...it has to come from somewhere.
Your country has a big problem with people committing extreme acts of violence with guns. How do you even begin to control that? Because you *do* have to do something.
Gov't run health care..another really big problem. I guess the problems with your economy don't have anything to do with uninsured people who get very sick and then have to declare bankruptcy? I feel awful for all that people who don't have insurance. "Shall we eat or take the baby to the doctor this week" What a horrible decision to have to make!!!!
I haven't addressed the other issues because one I believe is not anyone else's business no matter how I feel about it and the 2nd I don't know enough about.
Raising taxes is like family who is in debt up to their eyeballs but doesn't want to pay extra per month to get out of that debt. (because it was the father who racked up the debt) It has to be taken care of or the family as a whole suffers the consequences.
So really, addressing health care, gun control, debt/taxes is uncomfortable yes. But it those issues MUST be dealt with. And when those issues have hit crisis mode (which they have) sometimes drastic measures apply.
This isn't a "my country is better than yours" post. Rather a "don't be scared of change that will eventually be positive".
Everyone I know was watching the elections..yes..in Canada. We didn't watch our own but were riveted to the screen hoping Obama would get in.
*shrug* I don't think you'll see any changes in the near future but in 3-4 years or maybe when/if he gets in for a 2nd term. I'm hopeful for your country (as is most of the world) where for the past 8 years that was not the case.
And, sorry folks - the people have spoken and it wasn't even remotely close. Clearly America is widely made up of Democrats - or at least those who do not want the Republican control any longer.
I would not say that America is widely made up of Democrats. Obama won 52% of the popular vote. I would say that America is half made up of Democrats.
And as people have said here, many Republicans voted for Obama this time too. I just don't think it's accurate to say that America is widely made up of Democrats or those who do not want Republican control any longer when the popular vote was almost half and half.
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Sarah, we both know that we had different goals for this election, but I want to say that I agree COMPLETELY with this. People get far more than one day to express their disappointment. I know was wasn't over it last time in just one day.
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I would not say that America is widely made up of Democrats. Obama won 52% of the popular vote. I would say that America is half made up of Democrats.
And as people have said here, many Republicans voted for Obama this time too. I just don't think it's accurate to say that America is widely made up of Democrats or those who do not want Republican control any longer when the popular vote was almost half and half.
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Thank you for weighing in, Kelly. I think a lot of the world felt similarly, from what I'm reading.
polls do show america moved to the left, voting and self-fdefining MORE as democrats pretty much in every demographic group, this election. now that's a real fact.
That's my political mind. My personal mind looks at my daughter and is filled with rage over slavery, over the Jim Crow years, over voter suppression, over the racism that continues today. As a White woman so much in love with this child, I can imagine the fear one would have that African Americans might someday seek retribution.
I hope that makes sense.
It makes so much sense. I am so with you. (On the political part, too, I just accidentally deleted that part. )
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I also *fear* him because he goes against every value/belief I have (regarding taxation, healthcare, abortion, gun control ... I could go on & on).
I can understand that. Because while I didn't use the word fear, I felt that way in 2004. I disagreed with almost every policy Bush had so far made, and didn't want to see 4 more years.
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Palin has more executive experience than Obama and will have 4 more yrs of experience come 2012. Obama has never had a real job (a community planner does what?) nevermind one of detrimental importance.
As a side note ... I am sooo sick of hearing "yes we can" and all the race hype. Him being black, white, purple or whatever color/race is not what will or will not make him a good or bad president. If you don't want race to be an issue, then don't make it one!
Tiffany. First of all. That rhetoric about community organizers (not planner) is pretty offensive. Do you really not know? Have you taken any time to learn before just spouting that off? Community organizers have made a huge difference in our country through the years.
Second. He has had other jobs, too. He worked for 2 years as a financial consultant in NYC, before beginning as a community organizer in chicago. Here's part of what he did there:
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In 1985, he moved to Chicago to work with local churches organizing job training and other programs for poor and working-class residents of Altgeld Gardens, a public housing project where 5,300 African-Americans tried to survive amid shuttered steel mills, a nearby landfill, a putrid sewage treatment plant, and a pervasive feeling that the white establishment of Chicago would never give them a fair shake.
And you don't know that he also worked as a civil rights lawyer and taught at the University of Chicago Law School? From 1991 on? And, of course, the Illinois State Senate. To reduce his whole professional career to "what exactly does a community planner do anyway?" is short-sighted, and blatantly wrong. He spent 3 years doing community organizing, and he does say it made a big impact on him. And frankly, it made the kind of impact on him I would hope for in a president. He learned how to listen to what the people wanted, what they needed, and then help them to achieve that.
If taxes aren't raised WHO pays for the war? Because really, a country spends money...it has to come from somewhere.
Gov't run health care..another really big problem. I guess the problems with your economy don't have anything to do with uninsured people who get very sick and then have to declare bankruptcy? I feel awful for all that people who don't have insurance. "Shall we eat or take the baby to the doctor this week" What a horrible decision to have to make!!!!
Great post, mama! Thank you!
Raising taxes...I don't care who is running, if we are in debt up to our necks, saying they aren't going to raise taxes is a complete LIE.
Unfortunately, the administration that has been in power for the last 8 years f*cked us up. And now we have to pay for it.
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Tikva, I am sure that you have pain from all that goes on in Israel with all that especially losing a loved one.
And we too see suffering of mothers that have lost their children in a war in Iraq that makes no sense.
My heart goes out to you and others that suffer at the violence of religion and/or government.
Condoleeza Rice has said that the peace plans in effect will not happen this year as they had hoped.
But here is what happened there during a cease fire.
A seventh Palestinian militant was killed in an Israeli air strike on Wednesday night and four Israeli soldiers have been wounded in Israeli incursions.
Both Israel and Hamas, which controls Gaza, accused each other of violating the truce, but each have said they hoped there would be no further escalation.
So what I wonder is what in the world can the US do when this has gone on for a very long time and the US has stepped in so many times without it being very successful. It still goes on.
I dont think we would turn our back on Israel but what can we do?
I do hope it gets better and I think you'd be surprised how many people in the world do Lets hope for the best!
Its been said that Palin brought McCain down and while that may be the case for a few, I honestly believe it was the former administration that did the most damage.
Did I read that McCain did NOT want Bush's endorsement in this election?
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Great post, mama! Thank you!
Raising taxes...I don't care who is running, if we are in debt up to our necks, saying they aren't going to raise taxes is a complete LIE.
Unfortunately, the administration that has been in power for the last 8 years f*cked us up. And now we have to pay for it.
. I don't think that you could understand unless it was your relative that was killed our shot (like mine was last year). 
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