A serious question to Claire and others who are so worried about our future under Obama.
Please help me understand what exactly you are afraid of. Are you afraid that he is like Hitler? Are you afraid of HIM? I am unclear on whether you are actually afraid of him or if you are afraid of how he will respond to other countries and people who you are afraid of?
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I, too, would like to know what it is that people are actually afraid of!
I am hearing things thrown around like, "wicked", "terrorist", etc but I am not getting anything concrete. Only things that were created by the media and in this campaign to use against him that seem very far-fetched at times.
Help me to understand the fear that a lot of my friends have.
I had another thought and since nobody is reading anyway (lol) I'll go ahead and share it. Are the people who are fearful of Obama who think McCain is so much better looking back at the last 8 years and sighing with pleasure and happiness at how great their lives are? I'm really curious. I don't know anyone whose lives haven't been affected negatively over the last 8 years by recession, fear, war, dizzying political double speak, etc... . Are there people who have it good right now BECAUSE Bush has been in office for 8 years? Who caused the recession, collapse of the housing market, etc... if not the president in power now? And if you think McCain is as bad as Obama, then who would be better? Is there anyone? I haven't seen any names thrown around so I'm wondering if this is just a conspiracy-theorists dream to dig up the dirt on anyone who comes along.
This reminds me of when my kids don't want what I've fixed for dinner and are loudly complaining about it. First, they think I've made that food just to bug them. 2nd, even though I tell them that ground beef is hamburger and mashed potatos is just like french fries they suspect that I'm full of crap and hiding the really nasty stuff from them. 3rd, when I finally give in and say "what DO you want if you don't want the food I've made for you" they look at me suspiciously and say "I dunno" as if I'm still trying to trick them into choosing the even nastier stuff I've prepared and hidden. Then they go on and on for the entire meal about how I'm so mean and never fix what they like and that I'm trying to kill them with hidden vegetables they just know it. And then I send them to bed and they start in again the next time I make something they don't want.
Yes, I see the similarities. I hope to whatever power you pray to (and if it were McCain I would have to capitalize that or risk being denied equality or at the very least denied being taken at all seriously because a godless heathen clearly cannot have any sense whatsoever) that Obama is the man I and nearly 64,058,702 people think he is. And if he isn't running the country, and McCain isn't good enough do you think the third party guy that nobody likes is going to be effective. Wasn't one of the arguments against Obama that he wasn't "experienced" or ready to be President? So some unknown, a-political guy would be? I'm really seriously wondering what is in your heads. I'm trying to pick your brains, not be snarky, I just don't understand.
And I still don't understand why having a president that is charismatic is such a bad thing. Is it really so bad to have a president who can speak eloquently, that people actually genuinely like?
I'm sure that Obama is not perfect, but none of us are.
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THEN our leaders order to completely destroy important cities in Iraq and key places including hospitals and water access and kill countless Iraquis?
Those Iraquis that were injured had no way of getting medical care and the people had no way to get clean water to survive.
Over an oil war.
That is evil. I could not support another 4 years of that.
Put yourself in the Iraqui's shoes a moment. Despite living under husseins tyranny, imagine living in a place that was utterly destroyed over this war.
Seeing your child get injured by shrapnel or falling buildings and you cannot even take him to a hospital because the enemy has destroyed it or cut power access to it and then the child dies.
or your mother or husband.
That's pretty damn close to Hitler in my view. Power and the force of it is pretty evil against any race for any reason.
I agree. These are people who claim to be "PRO-LIFE".
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I, too, would like to know what it is that people are actually afraid of!
Me too. Nobody has been able to really say anything concrete other than "I'm afraid". Afraid of what? Honest question...I really want to know, in case I'm supposed to be afraid as well.
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Can "people" get more than one day to get over their disappointment before they get admonished to grow up?
I honestly think everyone is handling it quite well. *shrug*
Sarah, we both know that we had different goals for this election, but I want to say that I agree COMPLETELY with this. People get far more than one day to express their disappointment. I know was wasn't over it last time in just one day.
I totally agree.
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Jesus said until him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And, the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments have all the law and the prophets."
I had another thought and since nobody is reading anyway (lol) I'll go ahead and share it. Are the people who are fearful of Obama who think McCain is so much better looking back at the last 8 years and sighing with pleasure and happiness at how great their lives are? I'm really curious. I don't know anyone whose lives haven't been affected negatively over the last 8 years by recession, fear, war, dizzying political double speak, etc... . Are there people who have it good right now BECAUSE Bush has been in office for 8 years? Who caused the recession, collapse of the housing market, etc... if not the president in power now? And if you think McCain is as bad as Obama, then who would be better? Is there anyone? I haven't seen any names thrown around so I'm wondering if this is just a conspiracy-theorists dream to dig up the dirt on anyone who comes along.
This reminds me of when my kids don't want what I've fixed for dinner and are loudly complaining about it. First, they think I've made that food just to bug them. 2nd, even though I tell them that ground beef is hamburger and mashed potatos is just like french fries they suspect that I'm full of crap and hiding the really nasty stuff from them. 3rd, when I finally give in and say "what DO you want if you don't want the food I've made for you" they look at me suspiciously and say "I dunno" as if I'm still trying to trick them into choosing the even nastier stuff I've prepared and hidden. Then they go on and on for the entire meal about how I'm so mean and never fix what they like and that I'm trying to kill them with hidden vegetables they just know it. And then I send them to bed and they start in again the next time I make something they don't want.
Yes, I see the similarities. I hope to whatever power you pray to (and if it were McCain I would have to capitalize that or risk being denied equality or at the very least denied being taken at all seriously because a godless heathen clearly cannot have any sense whatsoever) that Obama is the man I and nearly 64,058,702 people think he is. And if he isn't running the country, and McCain isn't good enough do you think the third party guy that nobody likes is going to be effective. Wasn't one of the arguments against Obama that he wasn't "experienced" or ready to be President? So some unknown, a-political guy would be? I'm really seriously wondering what is in your heads. I'm trying to pick your brains, not be snarky, I just don't understand.
And I still don't understand why having a president that is charismatic is such a bad thing. Is it really so bad to have a president who can speak eloquently, that people actually genuinely like?
I'm sure that Obama is not perfect, but none of us are.
I totally agree!
And, I am at how your dinnertimes go, since mine go pretty much exactly the same way.
No, I'm teasing. I am not all that scared of Obama but I am scared of Biden and also what a democratic pres/congress is going to mean to my way of life. I'm not going to like it too much, I have to admit.
Tara, so glad to see you! First
second for the election.
Third, this isn't about you, this is just using your quote to spin off something I've been thinking about lately.
The republican party has had 20 of the last 28 years. They've had their fair share. Their turn. I realize that it is disappointing and scary to have a new administration that one fears will make changes that one doesn't like. Many of us have lived very much in that reality for a very very long time.
I sort of feel that just like with teaching our children to share, it is our turn. The republicans have had a very very long turn to play and the rest of us have lived with scary choices.
So, I would hope that some on the disappointed side could look at it that way. It's been a scary past eight years for us. Very scary. As scared as you are now is as scared as we have been for a long time.
1 - Just because no one has been successful at committing the kind of autrocities that he has, doesn't mean that no one will ever try.
You can say you can't compare, but you can't deny there are evil people out there who want to kill mass quantities of people. Its a fact. You can try to deny that some of those people happen to be the richest, most powerful people in the world. I am just saying -How many people died in the Holocaust? Have you been to the Holocaust museum? It is real and it happened and if you want to live your life like it couldn't possibly happen again.... or if you want to live your life like no one will ever try to derail the sovereignity of our great country - then I think you do need a history lesson.
But speaking of atrocities. How many people died in slavery?
How many Native Americans were killed by Europeans when they were trying to escape religious persecution? Europeans came over here and killed most of the Native American population. And the US was sent to Iraq for a war oil in which we are killing innocent Iraqis.
But I do not think Obamas plan in mass genocide. What are you scared of?
I actually heard a white woman say that she voted against Obama because she is scared that he would get white people back for what they did to African Americans for so long. And I hope like heck there are not many who actually believe that crap.
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my main issue with people who do not support Obama is that many of them continue to use words like "scared" and "horrified" and "terrified". what's with the dramatic language? SCARED? Really? Why? Does he remind you of someone who assaulted you? Does he trigger a violent memory from your past? Because words with such dramatic flair must be used with caution. If you disagree with his policies, SAY THAT. If you think he has shady connection you can say "well, I think he has surrounded himself with people who have their own agenda and do not have the country's best interest at heart" but what I am hearing is "I am TERRIFIED of him and his connections!!!"
In 8 years of Bush's presidency I only recall using dramatic words in regards to the Patriot Act. I never just blankly said "Bush is skeery!" because that does not tell anyone anything-except that I am prone to drama and a fraidy cat. Again, disagree with Obama's policies all you want. Say how they are unfair to your family or how you are concerned about your family's welfare under those policies. But SCARED! and like words don't tell us enough. And, if you can't elaborate on why you are so d@mn terrified then you either have no reason and are just a wing nut or you just like using incendiary speech.
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But speaking of atrocities. How many people died in slavery?
I actually heard a white woman say that she voted against Obama because she is scared that he would get white people back for what they did to African Americans for so long. And I hope like heck there are not many who actually believe that crap.
I absolutely don't believe Obama has such intentions, but this does resonate with me for some reason that I can't explain.
I've told Rose it's like there are two separate tracks in my brain on this election. First, I'm absolutely glad that Obama (though he was not my candidate in the primary) because I really think it's time to have a very bright mind in office. I think Gore and Kerry were also both very bright but did not have the personality to carry off an election. I really think Obama can be a great statesman, which we also haven't had in quite some time. Second, I'm absolutely glad that an African-American person was elected president. The two are separate in my mind because I would have wanted Obama whether he was Black or White, and I would not have wanted just any Black president.
That's my political mind. My personal mind looks at my daughter and is filled with rage over slavery, over the Jim Crow years, over voter suppression, over the racism that continues today. As a White woman so much in love with this child, I can imagine the fear one would have that African Americans might someday seek retribution.
I have not read most of the posts here, but I do *fear* Obama. I fear that his inexperience & naiveté (especially in the area of foreign policy) will put America in a worse place, not to mention the liberal agenda of Pelosi & the like.
I also *fear* him because he goes against every value/belief I have (regarding taxation, healthcare, abortion, gun control ... I could go on & on).
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I have not read most of the posts here, but I do *fear* Obama. I fear that his inexperience & naiveté (especially in the area of foreign policy) will put America in a worse place, not to mention the liberal agenda of Pelosi & the like.
I can understand that. But I have a hard time wrapping my brain around how someone with "Palin '12" in their sig fears inexperience and naivete in the area of foreign policy.
I completely respect your right to think and feel whatever you'd like in this free country. But it doesn't make sense to me.
If you care to address this, I'd like to try to understand.
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