Some of us actually think it's possible that Obama could bring about our worst fears.
I hope I'm wrong, think I'm wrong, but hey, it could happen.
don't you know you're supposed to get over it and agree that Obama is the best thing EVAH and that absolutely nothing about him could possibly be scary? Hasn't that been made perfectly clear yet? Its fine to say things about that like McCain.. but Obama?? how dare you! *sigh*
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I would march on Washington myself if Obama did the types of things you all seem to fear.
and this is supposed to make us feel secure?
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I hope the US will survive the next 4 years. Without military power we're looking at another 9/11 on a greater scale.
ayep. And watch, it'll be blamed on Bush rather than on the weakened military that will be coming with dems in power.
Did I imply that I don't believe the holocaust was a real event spearheaded by probably one of the most hateful people known? No, I didn't what I'm saying, however, is that I have yet to see/hear/read what is causing you to draw a comparison between Hitler and Obama. Care to share or are we to take your word? I'm just very confused as you seem to be trying to tell us what you really want to say without ruffling feathers or seeming too woo, so you're giving pieces. Just lay it out there.
No, I'm just saying that as a society I think we tend to forget to actually learn from experiences like this. We can talk about what we've learned all day but until we put it into action and practice are we really any better off.
I am also not trying to draw a direct comparison between Hitler and Obama. I never said that. I am drawing comparisons between the ideology of the men who "advise" Obama and the ideology of people like Hitler. I am not saying Obama is going to turn into a mass murderer. I am not saying I have all the answers and I am not saying I am qualified to tell you the depths of Obama's corruption. Rebecca just asked why the OP didn't take to Obama, or, I think, was scared of Obama - was the ? SO I jumped in and gave my .02 about the subject and of course its not the popular opinion being voiced at this time. You can pick on me if you want and I really don't care because I'm just doing the American thing and utilizing my freedom of speech.
I thought I made it pretty clear but if I have to say it another way,
I think Obama is controlled like a pawn on a chessboard. I think that certain people and families control politics and big business in this country just like a bunch of mobsters, but the best players are somewhat behind the scenes (Ie - not politicians, but more like advisors, financial experts, leaders, Trilateral Commission types of people, and who knows who. I'm talking multi-billionaires, not a couple of mils like prezzes) I just do not think, based on, like I said, their own words and with what I know about history and what is currently happening in current events, that these people are interested in the well being of our country and our citizens in it.
Pinky and the Brain, in my opinion, would have been either side becuase the same types of people, ultimately working for the same goals- are on both sides of partisan lines.
I am not saying there will be another holocaust or that type of thing at all. However, I think that there are ways being planned to take away (or give them away) our rights and our country. I do not believe in a one world government as these men and women I speak of are planning. I believe in my country and I think again, our society, not anyone personally, tends to forget the reasons why our great country was set up the way it was.
If our forefathers were here talking to some people here from a computer screen I think honestly that they might be called conspiracy theorists with little tin foil hats. Were they not particularly enamored with the idea of protecting their country and their God given rights from tyrants?
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Sure, online is different, but the kind of people I like to hang out with, online or IRL, are the same...funny, creative, irreverent, slightly offbeat (or a lot, depending. ) And those people, as a group, fall more on the liberal, Bush-hating side, than not.
Over fifty percent of the nation just voted for Obama...that is fifty percent of the population who would not have been making you feel like a traitor for criticizing the President. Like I said, the circles I hang with. Maybe you need to find more likeminded people?
Yeah, I definitely need to hang with more 'like minded' people. But, at the time I had no choice, as the 'not' like minded people were customers and family. I no longer have my business and I've decided that family is too much work. So, perhaps from now on things would have been better for me anyway?
And thanks, your fun to banter with!
I'm not going to reply to the rest because most of it is just the same stuff that has been debated over and over again for years.
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As for Biden, one thing was his multiple use of the speech about "when we're elected within six months times the world will test us" which he said at least twice. Makes me think he knows something we don't and I fear he's right.
Ooops, sorry. Yours isn't a complete rehash... You were also replying to my question.
I can see how that statement can sound scary. I took it differently, but I see how it can be taken the other way as well.
changed her named to/from what? i've been wondering if she and i are related, lol (i'm a berry)...esp. after seeing her views on the beliefs of those one is related to.
Let me just retract my statement that I would not trust anyone who was ever in those bloodlines. Perhaps if you weren't in office and being financed and advised by elitist billionaires who just happen to in very powerful positions and who also just happen to openly and admittedly believe in depopulation... AND just happen to be running for a high political office - then I could perhaps look past your bloodlines
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she's all hopped up on that juice. And changed her name, apparently, upon realizing that Peace Lilies don't overcome the odor of vomitosis.
I'm so glad we're rehashing things, POST-election, when an informative chat could have happened right in our own political forum but I realize that's a dark and scary place, too. Let it be known that I had my doubts about Obama initially, too - that he wasn't liberal ENOUGH for me. I guess I'm just going to have to suck it up and NOT see the United Socialist States of America. D@mn.
Good post, Kathleen - you old tenderhearted harpy.
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Claire aka Peace Lily Mama is one of a kind, so her m.o. is strikingly unchanging:
And she's not related to you, silly, she just sells berry juice out of her wagon.
And thanks for helping to promote my propaganda and biz. You're like my long lost polar opposite best friend and networking assistant. Could I just get you to answer all the questions directed at me regarding politics and berries. But FTR, its not really a juice. Its a whole fruit blend. But if you are going to be online me while I'm at work I'm gonna need you to stop stalking me. How did you know I have a wagon?
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Dem control won't do any better, ladies. When you get right down to it, Obama and McCain don't really believe all that differently.
I guess we all just have to wait and see.
I TRULY hope that all the HOPE everyone has hung on him amounts to something. I hope he changes this country for the better, but I don't think it'll happen and I'm not holding my breath.
My thoughts exactly. Although you said it way better.
she's all hopped up on that juice. And changed her name, apparently, upon realizing that Peace Lilies don't overcome the odor of vomitosis.
I'm so glad we're rehashing things, POST-election, when an informative chat could have happened right in our own political forum but I realize that's a dark and scary place, too. Let it be known that I had my doubts about Obama initially, too - that he wasn't liberal ENOUGH for me. I guess I'm just going to have to suck it up and NOT see the United Socialist States of America. D@mn.
Good post, Kathleen - you old tenderhearted harpy.
Julie, I don't think I've told you this but I do love you dearly. I'm sorry you missed me but I've been very busy lately and haven't had time to hang around much. Believe me, I have missed it.
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changed her named to/from what? i've been wondering if she and i are related, lol (i'm a berry)...esp. after seeing her views on the beliefs of those one is related to.
OH! let me retract the statement that said I wouldn't trust you if you were related to Bush. What I mean to say is if you are related to Bush AND you happen to be financially influenced by billionaire powerplayers who are KNOWN depopulation supporters AND you just happen to be running for political office - THEN I would not trust you. I *guess* you all are fairly harmless since you're not, right.
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Claire aka Peace Lily Mama is one of a kind, so her m.o. is strikingly unchanging:
And she's not related to you, silly, she just sells berry juice out of her wagon.
Thank you, darling, for making my life easier. You're so sweet to help me clarify my ideas and promote my beloved berry blend (its not a juice and if you're going to promote my shizz you must remember - its a *whole food fruit blend*.
And I'm getting a little uneasy over here. Maybe my tin foil body suit is pinching me wrong, but how did you know I have a wagon? Stalker.
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global warming is just a normal part of the end of days, right? or is it god hugging us just a little closer?
lol
oh my! praying none of that mess makes it through to the kidlets whose parents pay top dollar for a progressive education....
This ridiculous point has been brought up before, I believe in the actual thread that was listed by Julie. But I'm sure you found that during your objective read through of the links provided. And I'm sure you did that right after you looked up those billionaire/elite -depopulation- quotes, too right?
But, even though our school is not top dollar ( I don't know where you came up with that - true Montessori is all about low tuition just FYI) I do happen to talk to my preschoolers at least once a day about neocon eugenicists - how did you know?
(dems jokes, duh)
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Dem control won't do any better, ladies. When you get right down to it, Obama and McCain don't really believe all that differently.
I guess we all just have to wait and see.
I TRULY hope that all the HOPE everyone has hung on him amounts to something. I hope he changes this country for the better, but I don't think it'll happen and I'm not holding my breath.
Very well said. My sentiments exactly.
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Did everyone on this thread Vote? Just curious
I guess I should answer that, yes
I voted for everything else but president. I do not believe I had a *good* choice in that one.
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And Colin Powell jumped party lines and supported Obama.
I said I was NOT comparing Obama to Hitler. I said plain and clear that I was comparing the ideology of people who finance and guide Obama's decisions and policies to the ideology of people *like* Hitler. At no point in time did I said Obama is like Hitler.
And is that supposed to mean something good? Does that not show you right there (what I've been saying all along) is that it doesn't matter which side you are on. That is an illusion that it holds any real meaning anymore.
When you say, "not to compare Obama to Hitler but..." you are comparing Obama to Hitler in much the same way saying "not to be racist but" pretty much always introduces a racist statement.
Just saying.
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When you say, "not to compare Obama to Hitler but..." you are comparing Obama to Hitler in much the same way saying "not to be racist but" pretty much always introduces a racist statement.
Just saying.
Ok.... I didn't even say "not to compare Hitler to Obama, but... anything." I was restating what I actually did and am trying to say. So now anytime anyone says anything similar, we are just going to automatically mean its doublespeak? That's a little obtuse, dontcha think?
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I think the current administration could be likened to Hitler.
They started a war in Iraq, trying to tye it into 911 which Hussein was not the one who actually created that terror.
THEN our leaders order to completely destroy important cities in Iraq and key places including hospitals and water access and kill countless Iraquis?
Those Iraquis that were injured had no way of getting medical care and the people had no way to get clean water to survive.
Over an oil war.
That is evil. I could not support another 4 years of that.
Put yourself in the Iraqui's shoes a moment. Despite living under husseins tyranny, imagine living in a place that was utterly destroyed over this war.
Seeing your child get injured by shrapnel or falling buildings and you cannot even take him to a hospital because the enemy has destroyed it or cut power access to it and then the child dies.
or your mother or husband.
That's pretty damn close to Hitler in my view. Power and the force of it is pretty evil against any race for any reason.
Not to blatantly compare the two, but please remember Hitler himself was very charismatic, he told Germans what they wanted to hear and he made them rich.
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Ok.... I didn't even say "not to compare Hitler to Obama, but... anything." I was restating what I actually did and am trying to say. So now anytime anyone says anything similar, we are just going to automatically mean its doublespeak? That's a little obtuse, dontcha think?
Actually you did in post #117.
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I am not saying there will be another holocaust or that type of thing at all. However, I think that there are ways being planned to take away (or give them away) our rights and our country. I do not believe in a one world government as these men and women I speak of are planning. I believe in my country and I think again, our society, not anyone personally, tends to forget the reasons why our great country was set up the way it was.
If our forefathers were here talking to some people here from a computer screen I think honestly that they might be called conspiracy theorists with little tin foil hats. Were they not particularly enamored with the idea of protecting their country and their God given rights from tyrants?
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Could someone find out if something that I heard was true. It was in some meeting in Texas w/ Obama stating that he wants to work on securing "our" borders from the inside - i.e doing background searches/medical searches/ etc on "his" own countrymen. That sounds vaguely similiar (if it's true) to the black listing of the 60's. Anyone have any weapons/guns?? That might be an issue too since he is anti-military/force as well. The TV and print media treated him like a darling and only the radio media had any equality on the positives and negatives. I'm sorry I don't trust him!!! I would have preferred Colin Powell or Jesse Jackson, they seem more real. I hope the US will survive the next 4 years. Without military power we're looking at another 9/11 on a greater scale.
What you fear, bolded above, has already happened. It's called the PATRIOT ACT and it passed under Bush.
In these threads, I see a lot of fear and hypothetical situations, and twisted associations. I see no real evidence that Obama is "controlled" by the people around him or of the evil nature of those people.
Those who didn't vote for either candidate, did you see the little write-in space? You could have voted for anyone. Who would you like to see as President? I firmly believe that if you are going to tear down the choices given to you so thoroughly, you also have a responsibility to do enough research to know what you WOULD want in a President. Surely someone out there meets your criteria? Why not write them in? If no one meets those criteria, what alternative system of government do you propose?
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Lauren, very good point!
I also wanted to interject that I am for defense in our country and not against the troops at all in any way.
Unlike many, I beleive that defense of our nation is very important to DEFEND our nation.
Creating a war like we have seen was not defense.
I spent countless hours researching the George bush family after 911 and what I learned made me think of politics and life in a whole new way.
I protested the war due to what my research clearly showed me about the the Bush and Cheney oil lives and both Afghanistan and Iraq were tied into the businesses that they both were part of.
Sadly, I had voted for Bush due to the pressure of vote for non abortion and all the churches persuaded int he first election and felt sad that I made that choice.
I personally feel politics is a dirty game, but we live in a country that must have a leader and I feel Obama will be a good one but will have alot of challenges in his term.
The reason I brought up Colin Powell is that he was an army general before becoming a Joint Chief of Staff (the highest rank of military and advises the president), Security Advisor (again advises the president on national security) and Secretary of State (highest ranking secretary in the presidents cabinet and handles foreigh affairs)
Why did he resign and why did he not support the very party he served on in this election?
To me, I feel he knows the truth and does not want to partake of it.
He knows war-and for some reason he chose not to continue in this administration.
That spoke volumes to me
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People really, truly need to grow up and just deal. That's all. That's it. Do the right thing.
It is possible to be respectful but disagree. That's where dh and I are at now.
Being critical of the president and bashing him for his ignorance are two completely different things. I've seen far more of the latter in regards to Bush than I have of the former over the past 8 years.
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) And those people, as a group, fall more on the liberal, Bush-hating side, than not. 
Could I just get you to answer all the questions directed at me regarding politics and berries. But FTR, its not really a juice. Its a whole fruit blend. 
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