That was one of THE most horrid things about the last eight years. Anyone who critized the president was made to feel like a traitor to their country.
I do not think that will happen once Bush is gone. I don't think it would have continued had McCain won either. I think we finally see how wrong that was. So, yes, if Obama does things I don't like (and I'm sure he will, eight years is a long time) I will complain and whine and possibly call him names.
It feels good to have my freedom of speech back!
Let's just start with 4 years.
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on point 1- I don't think it's possible to compare hitler and well anyone else. Not even a serial killer like Dahmer has come close to comparison.
on point 2- I'm screwed too.
on point 3- I think we're talking foil body armor.
1 - The thing is, you can't deny that there are people out there who agree with Hitler. There are entire philosophies and ideologies out there. Just because no one has been successful at committing the kind of autrocities that he has, doesn't mean that no one will ever try. Afterall, don't younger generations usually just learn from where the previous generations left off and learn from their mistakes?
2. - Perhaps this isn't anything in itself, but to me its a red flag. Its more than just a coincidence. When you look at the history of America and Europe (the real history - not as told by rich white men) you can see a lot of things that they don't teach you in school. For someone like Ron Paul to get a basic media blackout despite the fact that he had so much money contributed to his campaign (record numbers) doesn't make sense.
3. - Just because you're paranoid - don't mean they're not after you. Not to go down the Hitler road again, but this is my response to people who think being critical and paranoid (I'll admit it! ):
I just think they could have used a bit more conspiracy theorists in Germany before WW2.
You can say you can't compare, but you can't deny there are evil people out there who want to kill mass quantities of people. Its a fact. You can try to deny that some of those people happen to be the richest, most powerful people in the world, but if you read certain quotes, read certain books, and watch certain movies/shows you might see right through the truth that they're not even trying very hard to hide.
or searching youtube or google for combinations of words like depopulation rockefeller, kissinger, eugenics, and don't forget quotes because you people can write off what I say as a great big far out conspiracy theory if you want, but as we're all talking about education, lets not forget the fact that we can learn from the past.
I'm sorry if I have insulted anyone. I did not mean to do that and I care about and respect you ladies here a great deal. I am not trying to be condescending or give anyone a lesson. I am just saying -How many people died in the Holocaust? Have you been to the Holocaust museum? It is real and it happened and if you want to live your life like it couldn't possibly happen again.... or if you want to live your life like no one will ever try to derail the sovereignity of our great country - then I think you do need a history lesson.
Its not like everyone who bought Hitler's shhizz was stupid. I really don't want to take this the wrong way and I probably shouldn't have even brought this up, but there is some unrest in me and I feel like its something I just have to say, so again, I hope I didn't pizz anyone off in the process. I'm just doing what I feel is right and I totally respect that you are too.
Like I said, I hope I am wrong. I hope our country as we know it withstands the "change," he speaks of. I hope that we are all proven wrong and that this politician is different from all the others before him.
And FTR, I do have hope. Just not in him.
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Did I imply that I don't believe the holocaust was a real event spearheaded by probably one of the most hateful people known? No, I didn't what I'm saying, however, is that I have yet to see/hear/read what is causing you to draw a comparison between Hitler and Obama. Care to share or are we to take your word? I'm just very confused as you seem to be trying to tell us what you really want to say without ruffling feathers or seeming too woo, so you're giving pieces. Just lay it out there.
Maybe it's the circles I hang with, but I've found the opposite. Just read any thread about anything political, here at Amity's, and count how many people who express support for ANYTHING Bush has done, and then count how many people rip that person to shreds for it. There's a REASON I participate in political threads so little around here.
Online is really not the same.
Ask Bill Mahr, John Kerry and many others whose lives were turned up-side-down because they dared to critisize Bush.
I also experienced many "real life" moments when I was lectured, yelled at, scoffed and insulted because I vocalized my opinions.
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Did I imply that I don't believe the holocaust was a real event spearheaded by probably one of the most hateful people known? No, I didn't what I'm saying, however, is that I have yet to see/hear/read what is causing you to draw a comparison between Hitler and Obama. Care to share or are we to take your word? I'm just very confused as you seem to be trying to tell us what you really want to say without ruffling feathers or seeming too woo, so you're giving pieces. Just lay it out there.
I disagree. I think Hitler is an extreme example but that she's just trying to give an example of worst fears realized.
Some of us actually think it's possible that Obama could bring about our worst fears.
I hope I'm wrong, think I'm wrong, but hey, it could happen.
We have a process in our government called impeachment.
I would march on Washington myself if Obama did the types of things you all seem to fear.
Really? Cuz I remember a pres who lied under oath and being impeached didn't seem to do much to him... people even LOVE him still
No, I'm teasing. I am not all that scared of Obama but I am scared of Biden and also what a democratic pres/congress is going to mean to my way of life. I'm not going to like it too much, I have to admit.
Ask Bill Mahr, John Kerry and many others whose lives were turned up-side-down because they dared to critisize Bush.
I also experienced many "real life" moments when I was lectured, yelled at, scoffed and insulted because I vocalized my opinions.
Sure, online is different, but the kind of people I like to hang out with, online or IRL, are the same...funny, creative, irreverent, slightly offbeat (or a lot, depending. ) And those people, as a group, fall more on the liberal, Bush-hating side, than not.
Over fifty percent of the nation just voted for Obama...that is fifty percent of the population who would not have been making you feel like a traitor for criticizing the President. Like I said, the circles I hang with. Maybe you need to find more likeminded people?
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I know you're joking, but Clinton's impeachment was bull**
I'm talking about real crimes, not infidelity.
I don't know much about Biden, but I liked some of what he said in the early Democratic debates. Why does he scare you? I'm asking seriously...
What amazes me is that people think it's not a real crime to lie under oath as the president. I don't care what his reasoning was, it wasn't right.
As for Biden, one thing was his multiple use of the speech about "when we're elected within six months times the world will test us" which he said at least twice. Makes me think he knows something we don't and I fear he's right.
I also am not a fan of his foreign policy. He's as much a washington insider as McCain was - only with differing viewpoints from my own which makes it worse . His age is a factor too, if you counted that against McCain.
1 - The thing is, you can't deny that there are people out there who agree with Hitler. There are entire philosophies and ideologies out there. Just because no one has been successful at committing the kind of autrocities that he has, doesn't mean that no one will ever try. Afterall, don't younger generations usually just learn from where the previous generations left off and learn from their mistakes?
2. - Perhaps this isn't anything in itself, but to me its a red flag. Its more than just a coincidence. When you look at the history of America and Europe (the real history - not as told by rich white men) you can see a lot of things that they don't teach you in school. For someone like Ron Paul to get a basic media blackout despite the fact that he had so much money contributed to his campaign (record numbers) doesn't make sense.
3. - Just because you're paranoid - don't mean they're not after you. Not to go down the Hitler road again, but this is my response to people who think being critical and paranoid (I'll admit it! ):
I just think they could have used a bit more conspiracy theorists in Germany before WW2.
You can say you can't compare, but you can't deny there are evil people out there who want to kill mass quantities of people. Its a fact. You can try to deny that some of those people happen to be the richest, most powerful people in the world, but if you read certain quotes, read certain books, and watch certain movies/shows you might see right through the truth that they're not even trying very hard to hide.
or searching youtube or google for combinations of words like depopulation rockefeller, kissinger, eugenics, and don't forget quotes because you people can write off what I say as a great big far out conspiracy theory if you want, but as we're all talking about education, lets not forget the fact that we can learn from the past.
I'm sorry if I have insulted anyone. I did not mean to do that and I care about and respect you ladies here a great deal. I am not trying to be condescending or give anyone a lesson. I am just saying -How many people died in the Holocaust? Have you been to the Holocaust museum? It is real and it happened and if you want to live your life like it couldn't possibly happen again.... or if you want to live your life like no one will ever try to derail the sovereignity of our great country - then I think you do need a history lesson.
Its not like everyone who bought Hitler's shhizz was stupid. I really don't want to take this the wrong way and I probably shouldn't have even brought this up, but there is some unrest in me and I feel like its something I just have to say, so again, I hope I didn't pizz anyone off in the process. I'm just doing what I feel is right and I totally respect that you are too.
Like I said, I hope I am wrong. I hope our country as we know it withstands the "change," he speaks of. I hope that we are all proven wrong and that this politician is different from all the others before him.
And FTR, I do have hope. Just not in him.
You said it so much better than I could.
Could someone find out if something that I heard was true. It was in some meeting in Texas w/ Obama stating that he wants to work on securing "our" borders from the inside - i.e doing background searches/medical searches/ etc on "his" own countrymen. That sounds vaguely similiar (if it's true) to the black listing of the 60's. Anyone have any weapons/guns?? That might be an issue too since he is anti-military/force as well. The TV and print media treated him like a darling and only the radio media had any equality on the positives and negatives. I'm sorry I don't trust him!!! I would have preferred Colin Powell or Jesse Jackson, they seem more real. I hope the US will survive the next 4 years. Without military power we're looking at another 9/11 on a greater scale.
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) And those people, as a group, fall more on the liberal, Bush-hating side, than not. 
You said it so much better than I could. 
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