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Christi

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subbing 'cause I learn from y'all's debates.

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Katie

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I'm not really sure why Obama's inexperience in Washington is such a deal breaker for folks. If experience is the barometer for success I'll take the inexperience hands-down. There's all sorts of "experience" in the white house that has done nothing for this country. well, nothing good anyway.

I'm interest in the laundry list of ethically-questionable entanglements too. I'm not baiting you Camille, I really am interested in your perspective.

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my2girlz

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I'll 2nd that!

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heythereheather

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Agreed.

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Linda

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I got a moveon email today...that talks about her.
Rmemebr I am way down under and live in a media news black hole....and this is one perspective, but it sure would make me look into things further with her...
there are references for the info..granted they all are news references~lol!
Dear MoveOn member,
Yesterday was John McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for "inexperience," here's who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people.
Huh?
Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:
• She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1
• Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2
• She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3
• Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4
• She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.5
• She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6
• How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7
This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family.
We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here's a sample:
She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK
She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK
As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L., Anchorage, AK
Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK
She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK
I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK
So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares John McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced.
In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country.
In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain's vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family.
Thanks for all you do.
–Ilyse, Noah, Justin, Karin and the rest of the team
Sources:
1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008
Sarah Palin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008
McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate
3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008
Sarah Palin, Buchananite
4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
adn.com | elections : 'Creation science' enters the race
5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008
Kevin Grandia: Palin Buys Climate Denial PR Spin - Ignores Science
6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008
Sierra Club: McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy
"Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008
Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past
"Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008
Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor - Times Online
7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC, August 29, 2008
McCain met Palin once before yesterday? - First Read - msnbc.com
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lordsofthemanor

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My $.02 on the "issue" with her having a downs syndrome infant:

I think its very difficult to make a character judgment like this about someone's parenting/career choices without actually knowing her very well. I know a lot of professionals with special needs children who are able to meet their children's needs very well, as well as building awareness through advocacy for these types of children. I could see, for example a lot of good in education for special needs children if a major political figure has such an emotional buy-in.

There are many, many women with professional aspirations or demanding careers who are also devoted parents. No one would think twice about a man's ability to be a good VP, if he had a 4 month old downs syndrome baby...

It might really help create options for working mothers with babies in this country, if a truly devoted mother sets precedent about things like being able to bring your baby to work under certain circumstances....

annsni

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COOL!! It works!! Thanks SOOOOO much!! You've cleared up a HUGE confusion for me! LOL!

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Rhea

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I really don't want to get in to this much, especially as I get frustrated when people (not necessarily anyone here, my dh has been sending me "humorous" links all day primarily of bloggers making unsubstantiated claims) quote from one blog or other source and draw conclusions from what one reporter or blogger has written/said and then pass it along as fact, and also because I'm for Obama so don't really want to defend the other camp, but since you quoted me directly I will respond.

If you read the article it links to it reads, "The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms."

The article goes on to quote Palin:

One more:

I think there's an important difference between the little slice of information Moveon chose to use ("Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools") and what she is quoted as saying. Yes, even Moveon uses sensationalism and partial truth to catch your attention and attempt to sway you.

In my highschool we were taught creationism by one science teacher who personally believed in it while another science teacher who believed in evolution taught evolution to another class. Then they switched classes. At the end of this we had to take a test that covered BOTH. We had to be able to explain each and give what each side offered as "proof". What a wonderful thing. I am all for both being taught in high school.

When we go to the article Moveon references, there are no direct quotes from Palin. I could not access the ADN article that article referenced, but I could view the Juneau Empire article in which Palin is not quoted but her spokesperson is. I'd rather have it directly from her. However, her spokesperson is quoted as saying she is for abortion only if the mother's life is at stake, and against it even in cases of rape and incest. That is pretty clear.

As for the whole experience thing, do you (the universal you) think that presidents act in a vacuum, solely from their experience? Do you believe it takes someone who has been dealing with foreign affairs for years to be able to grasp a situation and long term consequences, etc? Especially when they have advisors and experts? Is the fear that some president with no idea of foreign policy is going to be able to screw it up worse than presidents WITH experience have done while in office? Is it because of Bush? I know some criticized him for lack of FP experience, and now point out what he has done. But I wonder, isn't it more a question of wisdom than experience? Truly, the argument about foreign policy experience perplexes me and I would very much like to have an understanding of it.

Anywho, I agree with Linda on looking into things more, especially when it is a reporter's (or blogger's) words about what a politician believes or has said, and not direct quotes from that politician.

Erg, I'm going off to do something more pleasant.

Rhea

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