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FOREMILK/HINDMILK IMBALANCE? Green mucousy stools w/a tiny bit of yellow seeds...
sutton is now 13 days old and hasn't had abm in 4 days-(and when he did, it was
2oz a day- for 3 days back when the ped and lc were refusing he needed his fren clipped and they were convinced he was hungry due to my bfar)...yet, he still has green mucousy stools. i've noticed a
TINY bit of seeds in it the last dipe change-but it still looks like a f/h
imbalance to me...just trying to figure out how it's possible since he nurses on
my "good" breast for hours at a time, is never "off me" (in sling and has access
to boob) and i am offering the "not so good" side after he drains the plentiful
side at every nursing.
?? this is so frustrating!
any ideas of what else i can look for or do to remedy this situation with his
poop?
i've never seen poop like this that HASN'T been f/h imbalance. it's just so mucousy.
i've posted this on the bfar list but got no response, so i'm bringing it here to see if anyone has experienced this firsthand.
it sounds like too much foremilk to me, too....
my only suggestion (though it sounds like you're doing it already) is to nurse on one breast for a few feedings without offering the other side...
i'd give him a few more days to get his gi system regulated. now that you're making lotsa milk, he'll get his groove any day now
**eta: i just re-read your post --- try not offering him the "not so good side" at every feeding. even when you think you've drained the good side -- let him stay on it to ensure he gets the hindmilk....just my coupla pennies as a ibclc
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A couple of suggestions from a mama who has btdt x3.
Only use one side for 3 hours, then switch to the other side. If this doesn't help (and you will know quickly if it does) then go longer per side.
Another idea is to pump bfore you latch him on. Although, if he is attached almost all the time, this might not help too much. What about letting the majority of the 'rush' of milk go into a breastpad or a container to freeze.
With Nathan, I had to nurse him on one side only for 8-12 hours in order for the green stools to subside. When he was tiny it was 12 hours, and I was able to move up to 8 after he was a bit older (like 6-8 mos, maybe). My other babies who dealt with this were fine with about 3 hours per side. Made nighttime nursing even easier - no swithing sides all night long. Just one side all night long.
I was going to suggest the possibility of a dairy allergy also. Mucous in the poop is one of the signs. Just an idea. Hope you figure it out soon. Good luck mama.
Originally posted by bubbles I was going to suggest the possibility of a dairy allergy also. Mucous in the poop is one of the signs. Just an idea. Hope you figure it out soon. Good luck mama.
ITA. green mucousy poop is a big allergy sign for us. If you rule out foremilk/hindmilk, I'd investigate allergy/sensitivity.
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We finally figured out a dairy allergy with dd and her stools were nasty green mucousy and she didn't gain weight very well till I quit basically all dairy in every form! Hope you get it figured out soon. Good Luck, Tina
Kas-that is how it was with me both times I had it too. What the LC's told me (and all the great mamas here when I came for help--you included!!) was to try and either pump a little before or let the good side express into a towel after your letdown has occured to lessen the amount of foremilk he gets.
LC told me that green poop is almost always fm/hm imbalance...especially with the "frothy" consistency
If it is any consolation, the problem with Isabella finally went away at about 3 months!!
the not having a bowel movement in so many days sounds more like fm/hm imbalance than a dairy allergy to me though...just my personal .02 on that one! dairy allergy *tends* to have more bowel movements because of the occurence of diary that *can* happen with milk allergies.
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Originally posted by jessica_momof6 the not having a bowel movement in so many days sounds more like fm/hm imbalance than a dairy allergy to me though...just my personal .02 on that one! dairy allergy *tends* to have more bowel movements because of the occurence of diary that *can* happen with milk allergies.
Looks like we're both up late tonight!
she was referring to artificial baby milk (abm) or formula...not "a bm"
Kas...how is your soy intake? Not just soy milk, tofu & miso, but mayonaise and margarine? GASP...prepared meals? Like "in a box" stuff? I tend to rely too heavily on that carp when I'm dealing with a nb and my dh is working again (he does'nt go away like yours but is prone to 12-15 hour days). Anything that says anything about "soybean oil", hydrogenated or otherwise...
Do you take lecithin? Also a soy product.
I ask because I had this with DS3 (rather, he had this, LOL). He also had projectile vomiting in profuse amounts. We had him screened (via US) for pyloric stenosis, it was THAT bad. Turns out it was soy. In MY diet...I'd been eating potato salad, macaroni salad, cold cut sandwhiches, etc etc because those were what the meal fairies brought, LOL. Little did I know it was toxic to my DS...we had green stools for a long time. He did get to earthy brownish yellow but never had seeds like my other 2, regardless of what I did. I think now (in hindsight) that he may have had a dairy problem too because at 2 1/2 he cannot drink cow straight. He can eat cheese and yogurt (since about 18-20mo) but is horribly rashy over milk. He still vomits if he gets too much soy. A lady where we were last week (can't recall now) gave him an oreo and I found out later (I wasn't right with him apparently) when his bum went hamburger on us. It was awful for 4 days. Over just one cookie! Which is full of soy...
Originally posted by Snugglbond Looks like we're both up late tonight!
she was referring to artificial baby milk (abm) or formula...not "a bm"
hahahaha!! Can you tell I am tired...I just ASSumed that she was typing to fast and didn't put a space between the a and the bm.....of course, I was reading so fast that I missed the 2 oz sentence! where is the dunce cap for me?
anyway, with Lexie she actually stopped having normal bowel movements at 2 weeks....which I was told was normal for a fm/hm imbalance....but I noticed with Isabella that it was not that way...so who knows
You ladies are so smart!! I thought I knew a lot about bf, but I have never had, nor know anyone who has issues with fm/hm. Very interesting to me! I hope, Kas, that whatever the issue is, it is resolved quickly and easily. (My mom had 3 kids, and told me that she learned the most from the last one. Could that be true for you too? )
Off to do some reading about this!
Amy
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That was my dairy intolerant kiddos too. Green, mucousy, not much seediness. If it's a dairy intolerance it will take a bit for his system to re-regulate. I'd give it a month, actually. If you still notice a problem, (and he's not losing lots of weight or anything) then I'd start cutting dairy and hidden dairy from your diet. It was tough for me to do that but really it was only about 4 months before I could start adding some things back that I'd been missing, like sour cream, lol.
(((hugs))) and I hope it clears up for you quickly.
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John and I were struggling with the fm/hm imbalance as well. It was NO FUN! The symptoms were just what you described with the poops. I nursed on one side for 4+ hours. He is 3 weeks today and things seem to be balancing out. I hope they work out well for you!
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everyone is clueless in the ped's office-we just got back from a weight check this morning.
sutt's gaining, but slower than average-so we're doing weigh ins once a week until he regains his birthweight and starts adding on 1/2 to 1oz a day. right now he's averaging 1/3oz a day.
i should add that OTHER than the green mucousy poops, he looks fantastic. no spitting up. no gas. no unconsolable crying-nothing out of the ordiniary, kwim?
just green mucous.
the lc wasn't there this morning, but i swear, she knows less than my 11yo dd when it comes to bf, so it prolly worked out that way, lol
she (tan) had a milk protien sensitivity to my milk so i had to go dairy free for almost 2 yrs until she could tolerate it in my diet, so i've got a little firsthand exp there. sutton just doesn't have the same kind of signs she had though.
as for spraying into a towel/diaper so he can get the hindmilk and less of the foremilk-my milk is gold in this house! i accidentally spilled out 2oz i pumped and i nearly had a nervous breakdown over it, lol wasting it is not an option, kwim? every little bit i have needs to go into him so he can grow-even a tiny squirt wasted is heartbreaking to me.
i'm wondering if this is a bfar issue-that i might not have as much hindmilk as i should/used to/need to have...but sadly, nobody has the answer on the bfar list i'm on-along with my useless ped and useless lc-grrrr.
Just one side all night long. 
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Looks like we're both up late tonight!
where is the dunce cap for me?
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