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UPDATE IN R...Wth are drs so against clipping frenulums?!...(severe rant incoming...)
i cannot even begin to put into words how incredibly angry i am at our ped and her lc. against my better judegment, i went to the ped to have sutton's weight checked (bfar baby) and entered a world of bad advice, little to no bfar knowledge, and lots of ignorance.
my baby has a short frenulum (aka-anterior tongue tie/horseshoe tongue). he is unable to sufficiently milk my breast, and has yet to receive any of my hindmilk due to his inability to stay latched long enough to soften my breast.
i was told that i have little milk, and not enough to sustain my baby. i was told there was no need for me to pump, that it would only put more pressure on me to perform, and that there was indeed an anterior frenulum, but it wasn't "bad enought to clip".
i rented a hospital grade pump and am able to pump out 4 oz on my left breast and 2 on my right (always has made less), every 2 hrs. TELL ME I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MILK.
my baby lost a pound of weight during his first 5 days-and i KNEW all along, he had this issue, but couldn't find anyone to listen to me! the ped's office admitted that they haven't referred anyone on a clipping in over 5 yrs and simply refuse to do it-regardless of how severe. they claim there are lots of children who were never clipped and they are able to feed. (yes, but i bet none BF!!)
after me threatening to leave the practice (ie-5 kids), they gave me the name of someone an hr away...i called around my town out of the phone book and found someone to do it this afternoon-an ent.
wth was that so freaking hard? took me 15 mins, and i was able to locate someone. i would really like to run into my ped in a dark back alley somewhere soon. she better have mace.
as for sutton, we've been syringe finger feeding him since 3 days ago. it's exhausting, frustrating, and has been a confusing time for our entire family
he's unable to maintain a latch and my nips are bloody and raw.
but i'm a pumping fool, as to assure he gets human milk over abm (which he has had on a handful of ocassions-DIDN'T THINK I'D EVER GO THERE...). this baby is the lesson of my life, that is for sure.
although i know things will get better, and i'm hoping that this procedure will enable him to get what i have. my breasts overflow with love for him, and it's killing me to not be able to nurse him like he deserves.
anyway, there's our update and what's been up with us.
Hey Kas. It is so stressful to see dr's that have a varying opinion of ours. I finally found a doctor on this side that is wonderful! She doesn't even give vaccines She says if someone wants them, they can go to the health clinic for them. Her name is Linda Rodriguez if you want to look her up.
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I can't imagine the fustration you must be feeling! I hope that he can get it clipped (and quickly) and that bfing will go smoothly from then on,a nd be everything that you've been hoping for!
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Re: Wth are drs so against clipping frenulums?!...(severe rant incoming...)
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Originally posted by CincoDeMama i they claim there are lots of children who were never clipped and they are able to feed. (yes, but i bet none BF!!)
I am so sorry you have to deal with this! All three of my children had short frenulums, Jordan (my oldest) being the most severe with the perfect little heart shaped tongue. It sounds like Sutton is having way worse issues with it, though so I'm guessing his is on the major severe end.
They told me I would never be able to breastfeed him so decided in the hospital to give him a bottle against my wishes. Never mentioned clipping, just said if I wanted to give him breastmilk, I'd have to pump period. Hooked me up to a milker (double, felt like a cow and everyone staring at me to boot!) and then said he'd have to drink through a little tube.
BUT I did persevere and he DID begin breastfeeding...after about 2-3 weeks of pumping over tears. I think his frenulum stretched (this can happen).
Anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I did BF my three who all had short frenulums of various degrees. I am SO grateful I didn't listen to those frickin nurses who told me I would never be able to breastfeed!!! Not saying this to be snotty at all, btw. Just addressing the quote above.
BTW, my doctor said the same, they wouldn't clip until it came to the point that they got older and he had eating or vocabulary problems due to the short frenulum.
BTW, around 1-2 yrs, he actually fell in to the side of a wooden chair and "clipped" it on his own. Ack!
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Last edited by Chickapea : 10-07-2004 at 10:39 AM.
Kas, that REALLY sucks!! The ladies that I studied under have snipped a few tongues in their time. I don't know how severe it is for Sutton, but there are many tied tongues that aren't a big deal to snip. I'm not suggesting that you should have taken it upon yourself to do, because I don't think that I would be able to do it myself. I just think that your ped is making far too big of a deal about this whole thing. Are they more hands off because he was born unassisted?? Why do people have to make an already difficult situation harder!!! :::if I could only know which dark alley:::
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Well that just bites! So sorry Kas,,,but you are the strongest mama I know, and you will get through this,and may kick a few butts in the process!
Did the Dr say anything about the baby being born at home, UC? We are finding here even with babies born at home with a CPM, peds are refusing to see them. It is pretty wacked..and we aren't sure what to do about it.
kas-- my suggestion would be to try a nipple shield-- no they arent optimal, but with liam they did help us get started-- it took abt 2 weeks to wean him off of it, but it did help him latch, and get more of my nipple into his mouth. We syringe fed for 2 days and it was terrible-- absoluetely terrible. The shield helped me make it through until he was a bit more used to the concept of nursing, and then we weaned off of it.
hope you get some help soon
heather
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Short frenulums can also cause speech problems, other than just breast feeding problems. Even if a doctor didn't see the need because of breastfeeding alone, they should be willing to because of the possibility of speech problems.
Personally, mine needed to be clipped but wasn't picked up on until I should have been speaking understandably, and wasn't. (Sometime when I was 2 if I was told correctly). I had speech problems for many years and had to go to speech classes through elementary school, and hated it!
Believe me, that is one of the things I checked on my babies. I also for sure would have found a doc that would do it if my primary MD gave me trouble. I just can't fathom why a doctor would give grief over it, though. Sorry you had to put up with that.
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Originally posted by Sontanned I finally found a doctor on this side that is wonderful! She doesn't even give vaccines She says if someone wants them, they can go to the health clinic for them. Her name is Linda Rodriguez if you want to look her up.
Oh yeah, another reason for me to go up to Va, lol! I already go up there to go to our dentist, to do our grocery shopping, and to the nearest JoAnns. Maybe I should just move to Tidewater...ok, maybe not....but darn, do I ever go up there a lot, lol!!
(((Hugs))) Kas, mama You are already a she-womon in many of our books. Just when you think you had parenthood all figured out life tosses a baby like Sutton your way to sober you up real quick...ain't that always the way? My Sebastian taught me many similar lessons about myself, parenting, b/fing, and life. It makes you want to hug them tighter for it, yk? I know its frustrating but follow your instict cuz you know what's best for your little man. Heck, you knew better than anyone about how best to birth him, right? It'll all work out soon, I'm sure.
UPDATE IN R...Wth are drs so against clipping frenulums?!...(severe rant incoming...)
She says if someone wants them, they can go to the health clinic for them. Her name is Linda Rodriguez if you want to look her up.
You are already a she-womon in many of our books. Just when you think you had parenthood all figured out life tosses a baby like Sutton your way to sober you up real quick...ain't that always the way? My Sebastian taught me many similar lessons about myself, parenting, b/fing, and life. It makes you want to hug them tighter for it, yk? I know its frustrating but follow your instict cuz you know what's best for your little man. Heck, you knew better than anyone about how best to birth him, right? It'll all work out soon, I'm sure.
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