My understanding was that it is naturally dirived from coconut oil. What is the problem with it? THANKS!

Here's what Little Forest says about SLS & SLES:

SLS & SLES are widely used in shampoos to create foam. SLES can be very irritating to the skin and scalp and can cause hair loss. SLS is capable of penetrating the eyes and systemic tissues, which is especially serious with infants delicate eyes, which have even greater absorption and may be susceptible to alteration by SLS. Its retention properties are long-term and are of particular concern to infants whose eyes are undergoing substantial growth because a much greater absorption occurs in tissues of younger eyes. SLS changes the amounts of some proteins in cells of eye tissues. Tissues of young eyes may be more susceptible to alteration by SLS.

Because SLS forms nitrates, a possible carcinogen, and it is used in shampoos, bubble baths, shower gels as well as facial cleansers, Dr. David H. Fine, a chemical contaminate specialists, estimates that a person would be applying 50 to 100 micrograms of nitrosamine to the skin with each application. By comparison, a person consuming sodium nitrite-perserved bacon is exposed to less than 1 microgram.

But not everything that starts with "Sodium L-a-u-r-" is dangerous. Little Forest has chosen to use Sodium Laurate and Sodium Lareth-13 Carboxylate as foaming agents in our shampoos. They produce a much lower foam, but just enough so that mothers will be assured that they are getting their baby's hair clean. With the lower foam, they are gentle and mild on baby's scalp and eyes.

Be aware that some manufacturers hide their use of Lauryl by calling it "coco Betaine," which may sound more natural but isn't. There are a number of ingredients that are chemically derived from Coconut, including Lauryl, Caprillic, Pametic, Cetyl, and Stearyl. Coco Betaine is the same as a mix of all of these.

HTH -

Karen

Wow! The things I learn here and never would have thought twice about! So what are some shampoos for babies that do not contain this? Does Dr. Bronners?

California Baby Shampoos and washes do not contain SLS & SLES.

So is my shampoo bad :confused:

It has Purified water, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Arnica Extract, Thyme Extract, Glycerin, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Hydrolyzed Wheat Starch, Citric acid, Methylparaben, Phenoxyethanol, natural fragrances

It's hard to tell!

Yeah, Sodium Laurel and Sodium Laureth are the same.
I posted a link to it in the toothpaste thread the other day......Tom's of Maine has it in their toothpaste, and in their Baby Shampoo.
We only use the California Baby, if I use anything with sodium Laur....anything, ds breaks out in excema. IMHO, I think it is all them same, and you will find contradiction info from company to company....they really are all after the almighty dollar, and will and can contort any and all information to mislead the public.

O-well....same **** different day....:rolleyes:

IS California baby the only one that does not have it? Where do you buy it?

Ducky99
I just sent you a pm about the California Baby co-op!!
HTH!

What about WAHM soaps and shampoo bars? I just ordered a *bunch* of stuff from Danica and I'm hoping that it will be free of this stuff. Hmmm, perhaps I should PM her and ask.

Mona, Everything this mama sells is sls free
http://www.my-favoritethings.com

Toothpaste, soaps, shampoos...
She is such a sweet wahm and so goes out of her way to make her customer's happy!

She sends out a great newsletter and she did an article on the dangers of this, I will ask her if she still has the article.

Hope

Amy,
I just talked to Danica and she says that every single soap she sells is SLS FREE! WOOHOO! This is the soap I use. Her site is www.thesoapdeck.com

I need to look for a new shampoo. Thanks for the info everyone!

Originally posted by saffronne
What about WAHM soaps and shampoo bars? I just ordered a *bunch* of stuff from Danica and I'm hoping that it will be free of this stuff. Hmmm, perhaps I should PM her and ask.

nope, not a drop mama :).

not even my diaper buddies or laundry soaps have it. i must admit it has been tough avoiding it...it is a "magic bullet" that allows foam to stay a long time. it is very tempting to use it in the laundry soap but i just have to go with my instincts and steer clear.

the thing is, bubbles don't have a whole heck of a lot to do with cleansing. it doesn't matter, we are so conditioned to believe that anything that doesn't bubble up instantly and persist in a foamy lather is thought to be an inferior product. it is especially tough to get liquid soaps to sustain a frothy, foamy lather.

soap is a salt that attracts water on one side and oil on the other, bubbles are created by "catching" hydrogen.

hth :)

Originally posted by eema


nope, not a drop mama :).

hth :)

Oh, thanks, Danica! Now I *really* can't wait to get them! And what better plug for your soaps, eh? SLS free!

I appreciate the explanation, too.

So ammonium laurel sulfate is OK? That is in my Aveda shampoo. I know probably uncrunchy shampoo but it smells so nice and isn't tested in animals LOL.

And WAAHHH! Not my Tom's of Maine! Now I'm out to find another toothpaste. We do use floridated toothpaste so it's gonna be a challenge. Huh. :(

I thought Aveda was "crunchy"? No? I love it....I use the Shampure shampoo......(o: And really believe in flouride toothpaste too.......

Aubrey's does not have sls.
I have some shampoo from Jason's that does not contain sls.

For toothpaste, we use Weleda or Logan (think that is the spelling, it is German.)

They are also cruelty free companies.

For wahm soaps, usually you should be safe.
UNLESS, they make melt and pour soap.
When I was making melt and pour soap, I could only find ONE soap base that did not contain sls.
It was more expensive, but worth it to me!

Sls can cause mouth ulcers (toothpaste)! :(

Also, cocamide dea needs to be avoided!!!

Hope

Mamas, if you do a search for non sls products, it will turn up quite a few results! :)

Hope

'I' think of my Aveda shampoo as crunchy (I use Shampure too, Denise- Yummm) but it is in that plastic bottle I find hard to recycle and I'm not sure what big conglomerate owns Aveda (if any). So maybe it is crunchy, but I wouldn't think it is to the hardcore crunchiest. I dunno. I haven't had good luck with WAHM shampoo bars so far.

So, who else makes a natural toothpaste without SLS and with floride!?

Blech, Estee Lauder. Oh well, It'll do 'til this bottle runs out (the humungo size!) and I find something else. I guess for the price I pay for this stuff I can pick out one of the more natural ones at Wild Oats. Thanks!

Originally posted by magnoliamom
When I was making melt and pour soap, I could only find ONE soap base that did not contain sls.
It was more expensive, but worth it to me!


Where or where mama? I think Tami directed me toward one but man it is hard to find M&P without!! PLEASE LMK! TIA! :D

I have read sooo much evidence for both sides of the SLS debate...
but my "proof" that convinced me is that my scalp was getting sores and dry flakes frequently, and when I switched to using shampoo/conditioner that was SLS-free, the problems disappearred. (I began using Avalon Organics and I just love their products now!!...also switched to Jasons brand for toothpaste)

Some of Weledas shampoos and toothpastes do contain SLS. I was pretty disappointed when I discovered this, as I used them frequently before. Same with Tom's of Maine and Natures Gate.
I did a lot of searching and the ones I found that were SLS-free and 100% natural were Avalon Organics and Jasons.

Oh my!
I am looking for the company now and will let you know as soon as I find it!

Hope

pleh pleh pleh....

Tom's of maine has that crap in their TOOTHPASTE??

Gee, I was GOING to go brush my teeth, maybe it's worth it to let em rot out of my head....

j/k.

I just thought I should let all you mammas know:

I sell a product called Natural Bodycare all products are SLS free!!!! and only use natural ingredients.

Its the only thing I have ever used on Prairie

Email me if you want to know more about it, I have all the ingredients of all the products here .

Check it out at www.nbusa.com you can enter #2255.

The product is guarenteed if you don't like it in 30 days they pay shipping and give you a full refund. If you don't like it within a year (there has to be half left) they don't pay shipping, but you can still get your money back.

Let me know what you think!!!

Aubrey Organics is awesome! We haven't used anything else in years. They have some cute baby stuff too....the smell is strong though. I like Burt's Bees better (for the mass produced stuff).

I still haven't sampled Danica's soaps yet, I hear they are heavenly!

Originally posted by magnoliamom
Oh my!
I am looking for the company now and will let you know as soon as I find it!

Thanks for looking!! :) Can't wait to try them!