ok. i was folllowing along , thought i understood what was going on...lol got to the end & i am unsure why she freaked at the end/wedding?

did she have a moment of realization that he was indeed sean?

did sean follow the ann heche character to hide those letters *from* anna, or to get the info.?

i think it was her dh. when the boy & anne heche were in the bathroom...he said "don't tell anna" i think he meant don't tell anna about the affair.

anyways....lol ~ what caused her to freak at the end, what do you think?

we have it for a week, i may need to watch it again..lol.

nak - it left me very confused as well, nicole.

I LOATHED that movie.. it just really grossed me out. The thought of a fully grown woman totally falling in love with a 10 year old.. ugh.. that was the second time in a month that I got a movie like that from Blockbuster and didn't fully realize what it was about.. the first one I got was The Woodsman with Kevin Bacon? OMG I cried throughout the whole movie because of the content.. I couldn't believe they made a movie like that.. ugh...

I know pedaphilia is about.. but I DO NOT like watching it in movies yk?

Anyhow.. my take on Birth.. was that he was NOT her dh.. was just a screwed up kid who followed the friend, found the letters.. read them, found out that a man named Sean died 10 years ago, same time he was born, so he just put two and two together in his mind and deduced that he was Sean. I don't remember the end/wedding thing though. *lol* I never took it to believe that he was THE Sean though. ;)

wow cheryl, i never thought of it as her falling in love w/ a boy..LOL. and pedophelia *never* entered my mind. she thought it WAS her dh..kwim?

i did enjoy it..the symbolism of her dh running through the tunnel (being born) then back in to the tunnel to die...then the baby was born.

yea, it is one of those flicks that leaves you hanging b/c when he said " don't tell anna" it could have been about a. the affair, or b. that he was *not* sean.

the only part that i didn't get is *why* she wigged out...i am guessing it is b/c she eventually DID think it was him, and he didn't remember anymore.

the reason i thin it was him is b/c i saw a show on past lives w/ this one kid..his memory for details, etc... was dead on, but after a certain age it started to fade & then he recalled nothing.

oh well... anyone else? :)

I may have to check this movie out. I thought The Woodsman was wonderfuly done. Not the most pleasent of subjects, but I found it interesting to really see how sick this man was and how he knew he was sick and his stuggle. Anyway the human mind amazes me even the not so pleasent stuff. I think we have Birth on SOD right now so I'll have to order it later and maybe join the conversation :happy:

I LOATHED that movie.. it just really grossed me out. The thought of a fully grown woman totally falling in love with a 10 year old.. ugh.. that was the second time in a month that I got a movie like that from Blockbuster and didn't fully realize what it was about.. the first one I got was The Woodsman with Kevin Bacon? OMG I cried throughout the whole movie because of the content.. I couldn't believe they made a movie like that.. ugh...

I know pedaphilia is about.. but I DO NOT like watching it in movies yk?

Anyhow.. my take on Birth.. was that he was NOT her dh.. was just a screwed up kid who followed the friend, found the letters.. read them, found out that a man named Sean died 10 years ago, same time he was born, so he just put two and two together in his mind and deduced that he was Sean. I don't remember the end/wedding thing though. *lol* I never took it to believe that he was THE Sean though. ;)

Nicole, can i add a hearty AMEN SISTAH to that???

That movie made me want to hurl. I could have written your post. The bathtub scene was imo totally out of line.

wow cheryl, i never thought of it as her falling in love w/ a boy..LOL. and pedophelia *never* entered my mind. she thought it WAS her dh..kwim?


I guess it just bothered me more because of past issues I have. To me, it just seemed to freak me out getting so close to a little 10 year old boy even IF it WERE her husband reborn. Letting him climb naked into a bathtub with her? Even if they didnt "do" anything, still seemed just a wee bit too much for me. If I were to find out someone I loved was reborn into someone 20 years youinger than I, well lets just say we'd become friends.. definitely NOT lovers again. Just icked me out I guess.. obviously just one persons opinion. *lol*

Oh & I agree I thought the Woodsmen WAS done well.. again I guess I just didnt like the subject matter. I loved watching his inner turmoil & trying to fight his obsession.. however, I think the biggest reason I didnt really like the movie was because for some reason I thought I rented a horror flick! :joker:

Oh & I agree I thought the Woodsmen WAS done well.. again I guess I just didnt like the subject matter. I loved watching his inner turmoil & trying to fight his obsession.. however, I think the biggest reason I didnt really like the movie was because for some reason I thought I rented a horror flick! :joker:

Well It was more of a thriller then a Horrer, so I can see how you would have been disapointed ;-) I was very uncomfortable with the subject as well. It's not something that is enjoied that's for sure. I just thought it was interesting to see a movie from the Pedofiles POV instead of the victom. Maybe the more we come to understand this the disease the more likly we are to help people with it. IMO it is truly a sickness like anything else and needs to be treated as such. Punishing pedofiles dosen't IMO do much. As we saw in the movie. Yes he went to jail, but he was still sick and he knew it. Alrighty I am rambeling. I think I will check out Birth later on tonight :happy:

It *was* her dh re-incarnated. He was remembering when he loved his wife though, and didn't remember the affair. :(

I found it disturbing about the whole sex issue though.

ok, anyone besides me think this WAS a good movie? LOL :hahaha:

just like anything in life, everyone interprets things differently.

i guess i saw it from a movie making pov & enjoyed it for that reason, also i like trying to figure out the questions that come up in movies, that aren't necessasarily answered IN the film, kwim?

the bathtub scene didn't bother me at all , i think the entire film was very well done.

still hoping someone else has an idea about the end...lol ~

It *was* her dh re-incarnated. He was remembering when he loved his wife though, and didn't remember the affair. :(

I found it disturbing about the whole sex issue though.

where did you all see this sex stuff? i recall anna & her fiance' getting it on but.....

anna told sean they'd run away & when he was 21, they'd get married. *shrug* he kissed her once very lightly & the bathtub scene was very innocent imo.

the anne heche charc. told sean she was "willing to explore this" if it were indeed sean-dead dh, she was creepy i thought.

everything btw anna & sean the boy i thought was beautifully done.

Yeah, the Anne thing was definitely yucky. That is one incident I was referring to. The other thing that kinda creeped me out is when Nicole asked him how he would please her. They really could have left that whole aspect out. The kiss could have been on her cheek, and he could have touched her face.
It was just too much.
If he was 16 maybe it would have been more appropriate?

well see - i took her questioning him as a test.. that was before she really believed him, kwim? i don't think she was being serious, i guess that's why it didn't bother me.

again, it must be the film freak in me ...lol, but imo somtimes you need to push the envelope, if you will ~ to make a point.. imo that kiss expressed SO much feeling...he missed her & loved her.. that's what i got from it.

the way he touched her face...not how a 10yo would do it...lol.

anne heche was the creepiest part of the whole thing..yuk.

I hated that movie! Me and dh were cracking up watching it b/c like half the seasons were just of some one sitting there not saying a word for like 30 seconds...it moved sooo slow. I swear if they cut all that out it would be 30 minutes long

It *was* her dh re-incarnated. He was remembering when he loved his wife though, and didn't remember the affair. :(

I found it disturbing about the whole sex issue though.
how do you know that it was him?


I saw 3/4 of it, i missed the beginning. my parents saw the whole thing and we all felt he wasnt him but not totally sure. It was a lil confusing, annoying, and disapointing!

I also was bothered by the naked bathtub seen. It was too much for me.

I dont remember about the end. I think she realized weither or not the lil boy was her dead husband that she was making a mistake. Likethe guy she married was the cancelation prize and not someone who held her heart.

I found it sad and was totally bummed.

I dunno, but that was my take on it. It did seem like it was her husband. He knew way too much not to be.

Well I watched it last night and IMO it wasn't him. As far as I have seen, not to take the movie too seriously, but with most past life regretion, most remeber the tramatic elements most. I think he found the letters and photo's and used the information from those to create his Fantasy. IMO the reason why she freaked out at the end was she realized her husband was gone, she was remarried and she had to move on and let him go. I didn't find the bath tub seen or the kiss disterbing. I saw them both as very inocent, as it would be bathing or kissing any child. I didn't see it as romatic at all. Just my POV though and another take on it. What I do have to say is that the boy who played Sean was an incredible actor. I hope his carrier goes far. I really enjoyed the move and thanks for perking my interest. :happy:

glad you liked it! :)

i *do* think it was him.. b/c there are things that wouldn't have made sense to have been in the letters, kwim?

like why would sean tell the anne heche person, who it was that told anna there was no santa claus, or that he used to work at that desk & where he anna "did it" on the green couch....funny in the scene when her fiance left, he went to the other house & sat ON the green couch..LOL!!

thanks for sharing your perspective everyone!!

glad you liked it! :)

i *do* think it was him.. b/c there are things that wouldn't have made sense to have been in the letters, kwim?

like why would sean tell the anne heche person, who it was that told anna there was no santa claus, or that he used to work at that desk & where he anna "did it" on the green couch....funny in the scene when her fiance left, he went to the other house & sat ON the green couch..LOL!!

thanks for sharing your perspective everyone!!

I totaly see your point, but if you look at his back pack when Anne Heche opens it, you can see there are not only letters but photo's as well. The letters were love letter so I am sure they shared very personal information. I truly wanted it to be him, but after thinking about it and all the details, I just can't figure it. Then again this is the movies and anything is posible. I wonder if we could pick the writters brain? LOL :happy:

oh, i totally see what you are saying.

i think he dug up what she buried & prob. read them.. but still..,, imo he knew way too much.. like where they met, etc....

and she was already prepared to marry another man... so i thought her freaking out at her wedding was not due to her realizing her dh was gone...but gone again ;)

oh, i totally see what you are saying.

i think he dug up what she buried & prob. read them.. but still..,, imo he knew way too much.. like where they met, etc....

and she was already prepared to marry another man... so i thought her freaking out at her wedding was not due to her realizing her dh was gone...but gone again ;)

Very posible....the only thing that had me stumped in the movie was the seen where Anne Heche takes him to the bathroom and says she has moved...then he says Don't Tell Ann. That part had me confused. If he didn't remember the affair why would he tell her not to tell Ann? Ugg Now you have me thinking again, LOL. I love Movies that make you think :happy:

i don't nkow that much about past lives, but i think it was the sean saying don't tell her about the affair.

when he went to see her, he said he didn't remember... i think maybe his memories were starting to fade at that point, or he simply didn't want to remember it since the movie was based on his love for her...does that make sense?

i agree..fun to think & try to figure it all out...lol ~

i don't nkow that much about past lives, but i think it was the sean saying don't tell her about the affair.

when he went to see her, he said he didn't remember... i think maybe his memories were starting to fade at that point, or he simply didn't want to remember it since the movie was based on his love for her...does that make sense?

i agree..fun to think & try to figure it all out...lol ~

Yes or on the same general note, maybe it was that he didn't want her to know he remembered. Also maybe he didn't want to cause Ann anymore pain. Hmm Maybe i will watch it again tonight.

lol ~ i was gonna watch it agian as well..but dh took i back. you can tell me what you think if you watch it again.

maybe check out those extra features on the DVD...perhaps there is insight there? :happy:

lol ~ i was gonna watch it agian as well..but dh took i back. you can tell me what you think if you watch it again.

maybe check out those extra features on the DVD...perhaps there is insight there? :happy:

I ordered it from my Cable Provider, kinda like PPV but different. You can stop it, rewined Ect. So I don't get the special features :wah: I have it until Midnight i think so i will try and watch it again and let you know if i change my mind set :happy:

lol, ok :) feel free to PM me so no one gets weirded out by our convo on the market board...;)

LOL Sorry if I weirded anyone out. I'll PM you if I get a chance to watch it again tonight :)

i didn't mean weirded out by our chattiness...

just once in a while i think it bugs people if these posts get too far ot..lol, kwim?

anyway itr seems to be just you & i discussing it now LOL

Yah, but I am lurking with interest! LOL I refuse to watch the movie, but I am very interested in the reincarnation part, so I am vicariously picking your brains here! So you can't go away! :D



Murali

i knew you were there!!!! was waiting (hoping) you'd chime in..lol ;)

Lol, yeah, I am a sucker for this kind of stuff! I just am not a huge fan of those kinds of movies, or Nicole Kidman (nothing against her, she has just never clicked with me iykwim), so I am not going to watch it, but I am happy to read the whole plot as you guys pick it apart, lol!

You can not just PM Nicole.. you must post it here!!! lol


We were really hoping it was the little boy, so we were kinda pissed off when it seemed like he wasnt.

I wonder if there are any sites that discuss this movie?

not sure.. but i think it was..LOL

not sure.. but i think it was..LOL
lol yeah i get that... hehe

Well as luck would have it my DD decided she wanted to sleep in her own bed tonight :wah: So it took me quite awhile to put her to bed and the Movie expired. I will try and order it again another day. Sorry Ladies. Oh and harvestgirl I knew what ya ment so no worries, I was just being silly :happy: . I have been sick all day and I think the fever is getting to my head :rainbow: . I was wondering though about one part of the move where the Friend gets involved. Sean runs up and hugs him but he dosen't say anything. I would think if it was an old friend you remembered you would say something. At lest i would. Who wrote the screen play? I think we need to get ahold of them and pick their brain too :hahaha:

I watched it (edited version) and did not think it was her DH by the end of the movie.

Sean runs up and hugs him but he dosen't say anything. I would think if it was an old friend you remembered you would say something. At lest i would. Who wrote the screen play? I think we need to get ahold of them and pick their brain too :hahaha:

for me the hug was enough... in movies the most subtle action tells volumes.

he wasn't very chatty anyway...lol, kwim?

i've decide it is one of those films that can mean something different for everyone & is easily interpreted in different ways...and keeps ya wondering. i love em, but hate them LOL.