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Gypsylily
12-09-2004, 10:12 AM
I am sitting here crying at work.

Scroll down to see the black and white photo, caption and a short blurb.

I just checked this site to see if the boycott was still "on".

I guess so. :(

http://www.ibfan.org/english/issue/overview01.html#1

tinyterror'sma
12-09-2004, 10:15 AM
Umm - I guess I can't see the photo? I see two red x's.

On the link is just the story about why bottlefeeding is bad (should be clarified in some areas b/c of water) & only photo is woman bf her twins.

mandalin
12-09-2004, 10:17 AM
Do you mean the picture of the woman bottlefeeding one teeny tiny unhealthy baby and breastfeeding the other baby in her arms?

That is SOOOOOOO sad.

tinyterror'sma
12-09-2004, 10:23 AM
oh - that picture was above the story & I did't see it at first. That bottle baby is tiny (bf one could be small too - don't know how old). that is sad

Charity
12-09-2004, 10:32 AM
That is a sad picture, but it seems that people want to use a picture like that to argue that bottle feeding is unsafe and dangerous.
I don't understand why the twin that was bottle fed died? A child can easily be bottle fed and survive. I am guessing the water that the formula was mixed with was unsafe and the baby died from that? One of the main problems is that she was told (I am guessing by a medical professional) that she could only breastfeed one child. Even if that were true, she could have been encouraged to alternate breastfeedings and bottle feedings between both children, rather than to favor one child for breastfeeding, especially as she watched one thrive and gain, while the other one didn't. There seems to be so many problems with this situation. Bottle feeding by itself doesn't seem to be the main problem.

Gypsylily
12-09-2004, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Charity
That is a sad picture, but it seems that people want to use a picture like that to argue that bottle feeding is unsafe and dangerous.
I don't understand why the twin that was bottle fed died? A child can easily be bottle fed and survive. I am guessing the water that the formula was mixed with was unsafe and the baby died from that? One of the main problems is that she was told (I am guessing by a medical professional) that she could only breastfeed one child. Even if that were true, she could have been encouraged to alternate breastfeedings and bottle feedings between both children, rather than to favor one child for breastfeeding, especially as she watched one thrive and gain, while the other one didn't. There seems to be so many problems with this situation. Bottle feeding by itself doesn't seem to be the main problem.

My co-worker is posting right now - she has two very smart, happy, healthy, athletic bottle-fed kids. Here is what she says:

The article based on the boycott is based on the fact that in the third world countries there is not the same standard of living as we have here. They do not have clean water nor the means to provide formula. They get hooked on a product (formula), yet the water is contaminated, there isn't enough formula because there isn't enough money to buy formula for their baby....hence they wind up with 2-3 thousand babies dying per DAY.

These companies lure women into bottle-feeding when these woman clearly can not afford to do so. They do not have WIC in these countries. So, the family spends up to 50% of their income trying to feed their babies.

So, yes, in third world countries, bottle feeding is dangerous. Very dangerous.

My 2 kids are very healthy and they were raised on formula - but I had ENOUGH formula and clean water to mix it with.

-Marie (Amina's co-worker)

MyThreeSuns
12-09-2004, 11:07 AM
How could a Mother not recognize that the breastfed baby was thriving, and put two and two together?

downunder
12-09-2004, 11:12 AM
The story I heard about that photo was that the bottlefed baby was a girl and the breastfed baby was a boy :( I can't remember where I read that.

As to the poster who wondred how bottlefeeding could kill the baby. There are many statistics that back up infant mortality in relation to bottlefeeding vs. breastfeeding. Have you read "Milk Money Madness" it would be a good start on this and the Nestle Boycott.

Immunities in breast milk and contamination of water and 'skimping' on the formula to be able to feed their baby formula at all are things that contribute.

Kimberlee

Lydiasmomma
12-09-2004, 11:29 AM
:wah: So, so sad.

It reminds me of an account I read in, I think it was either the More With Less Cookbook, or Living More With Less, about a Mennonite aid worker who visited a family in Bangladesh and saw a few healthy looking children in the family and one child who was a waif, white as a ghost and on the verge of death. WHen she inquired of another aid worker what was the matter with this child, the woman told her that the family didn't have enough money for food, and that was the child they had chosen to starve. :(

I think we just can't begin to imagine the heartache that is going on in the world when we don't see it. I wish more of these stories were told.

Charity
12-09-2004, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by JustAmina!
My co-worker is posting right now - she has two very smart, happy, healthy, athletic bottle-fed kids. Here is what she says:

The article based on the boycott is based on the fact that in the third world countries there is not the same standard of living as we have here. They do not have clean water nor the means to provide formula. They get hooked on a product (formula), yet the water is contaminated, there isn't enough formula because there isn't enough money to buy formula for their baby....hence they wind up with 2-3 thousand babies dying per DAY.

These companies lure women into bottle-feeding when these woman clearly can not afford to do so. They do not have WIC in these countries. So, the family spends up to 50% of their income trying to feed their babies.

So, yes, in third world countries, bottle feeding is dangerous. Very dangerous.

My 2 kids are very healthy and they were raised on formula - but I had ENOUGH formula and clean water to mix it with.

-Marie (Amina's co-worker)

It seems though, that there is this desire to save people from themselves and to save them from the consequences that come from not educating yourself before making choices. It seems there is this push to boycott a product, that seems bad because some people doin't know how to use it, and don't desire to make sure they are using it correctly. Formula in the hands of an educated/intelligent person is perfectly fine.

This type of argument could be made for so many other products. Like baby walkers being dangerous, when the walker itself wasn't dangerous, it was the parents who thought they could stop supervising their moveable child once they placed them in it, that were dangerous. One could say that we should boycott vegetarinism lifestyles because some people do them wrong and put their children's health at risk. Or boycotting all diet programs because there are so many people who decide to do a diet program and then don't do it correctly and put their health at risk. One could say that ANY over the counter or prescription medication shouldn't be marketed, because what if parents use it incorrectly? What if they only give half of a pill to make it last longer because they can't afford to buy more, and the child dies because they needed the full does of medication to get better? What if the parent isn't fully aware of how much to give and the child dies because the parent gives too little or too much?

I'm really not trying to pick one side over another. The picture is indeed sad, and it is indeed sad that babies are dying. But it seems they are dying because parents aren't educating themselves on a product they plan to use to give their baby. Sure they don't live in America and don't have our education level, but why are parents choosing to use a product to feed their baby without making sure they know how to read the directions and follow them, and making sure they can financially keep doing so as the baby ages? There may very well be tons of parents like that here in America who are daily putting their kid's lives at risk for making choices without any common sense behind those choices. But if we keep saving them from their own lack of interest in being educated about what they give their child, we are setting up a lifestyle of them never desiring to be educated. We are telling them, it's okay to not be educated about products, because we'll do all the work and only give you products that can't be used incorrectly. And if it is used incorrectly we won't blame the parent who used it wrong, we'll blame the manufacturers and marketers of that product.

arasmama
12-09-2004, 11:47 AM
I don't think you are understanding the whole issue. Read Milk, Money, and Madness and it would make more sense. It goes far beyond people not educating themselves. They CAN'T educate themselves. It is not America. Nestle sends people into the hospitals dressed as NURSES and these people tell these woman that breastfeeding is bad, formula is healthy, this is what all american's give thier babies blah blah blah. Give them some free formula. Once a baby is on the bottle and they realize how much formula is costing them or how thier baby isn't thriving, it is too late. It is disgusting!! This is just one example of thier nasty nestle tactics.

I fully support the boycott. There is no way I am giving my money to a company that makes a profit off the death of children. No way.

meemee
12-09-2004, 11:55 AM
These companies lure women into bottle-feeding when these woman clearly can not afford to do so. They do not have WIC in these countries. So, the family spends up to 50% of their income trying to feed their babies.

This exact same argument could be used in this country. These same companies luring women into using artificial baby milk, are also doing the same unethical luring here in this country, even in your little community. Most persons would be appalled at the amount of pull formula companies have on maternity floors. Those complimentary "gift" bags are not gifts for the new parents given out of the goodness of the corporations loving, tender hearts. They are marketing ploys, tools used to lure young mothers away from breastfeeding- in favor of baby getting a "Good Start" on their formula. Good Start? Not nearly.
Yes, and when the sabotage suceeds, many of these mothers are "blessed" to have WIC to fall back on... let the govt.(meaning taxpayers) pay for it right? Formula makers make out quite well in this endeavor...our govt (meaning taxpayers) gives billion$$$ to the Formula makers for providing this less than adequate baby food, to a population of infants usually at a socio-economic disadvantage to begin with. Also, WIC is only supposed to supply up to 3/4 of the baby's food supply for the month. In many cases this leads desperate parents to water down artificial baby milk to make it last longer. Leading to a whole host of health problems for an infant who is already at a disadvantage due to being formula fed.
These companies are not the compassionate, caring, baby-loving, gentle-giants they would have people believe...with all the freebies and coupons and special magazines. They are simply a corporate enterprise with only one motive...$$$$.
Also, before assuming that formula in this country is "perfectly safe", seek out a pediatric gastroenterologist. An honest one will tell you if it weren't for formula, most would be picking a more lucrative specialty.
Formula was originally intended to keep alive infants who were not able to breastfeed, a very small minority. It has sadly turned into global greed, in the 3rd world and, believe it or not, your hometown.
All this, and more is avoided by giving an infant her birthright of warm, clean, safe breastmilk.

spiritfreedom
12-09-2004, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by arasmama
They CAN'T educate themselves. It is not America. Nestle sends people into the hospitals dressed as NURSES and these people tell these woman that breastfeeding is bad, formula is healthy, this is what all american's give thier babies blah blah blah. Give them some free formula. Once a baby is on the bottle and they realize how much formula is costing them or how thier baby isn't thriving, it is too late. It is disgusting!! This is just one example of thier nasty nestle tactics.

I fully support the boycott. There is no way I am giving my money to a company that makes a profit off the death of children. No way.

Was going to respond to you, Charity, but Arasmom made my point. Specificly what I quoted. In addition, by the time they run out of free formula, there own breastmilk has dried up.

downunder
12-09-2004, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by arasmama
I don't think you are understanding the whole issue. Read Milk, Money, and Madness and it would make more sense. It goes far beyond people not educating themselves. They CAN'T educate themselves. It is not America. Nestle sends people into the hospitals dressed as NURSES and these people tell these woman that breastfeeding is bad, formula is healthy, this is what all american's give thier babies blah blah blah. Give them some free formula. Once a baby is on the bottle and they realize how much formula is costing them or how thier baby isn't thriving, it is too late. It is disgusting!! This is just one example of thier nasty nestle tactics.

I fully support the boycott. There is no way I am giving my money to a company that makes a profit off the death of children. No way.

:ditto:

Charity
12-09-2004, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by meemee
These companies are not the compassionate, caring, baby-loving, gentle-giants they would have people believe...with all the freebies and coupons and special magazines. They are simply a corporate enterprise with only one motive...$$$$.

I don't look at companies and think they are compassionate or caring based on their products. Most companies, unfortunately are out for the $$$$. That's usually why companies are started. It'd be nice if ethics were taken into consideration nowadays within companies, but more often than not they aren't. There is probably plenty of unethical stuff going on within companies we think are completely ethical.

I still say we are responsible for our choices, and if I choose to feed my baby formula because someone gave me a gift bag in the hospital, then I had better be ready to deal with the consequences for that choice (financially, and health-wise). I mean, if someon handed out illegal drugs in gift bags at the hospital, that doesn't mean I am going to start using them. As a parent it's our job to closely inspect things and make wise choices for our families and children. Just because a relative gives me a crib and a book on CIO, doesn't mean I am going to choose that route.

The best solution, is to educate people. Educate them on how to seek out information, educate them on how to read and follow instructions, educate them on how to financially forsee future costs based on present day purchases, educate them on breastfeeding and why it is a better choice. Educate them on how their decisions have consequences, some being good and some being bad. Teach people how to make better decisions.

And if formula companies are purposely dressing as medical prefessionals and giving out incorrect medical advice about breastfeeding to people in other countries, then the media needs to get involved and our government needs to be notified. And then again, the public needs to be aware of those people, and be on the look-out. Maybe more hospital security, meaning if they are not hospital paid staff, they don't beloing, especially strangers dressed as nurses.

quidnunc
12-09-2004, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by spiritfreedom
Was going to respond to you, Charity, but Arasmom made my point. Specificly what I quoted. In addition, by the time they run out of free formula, there own breastmilk has dried up.
And in impoverished countries the women don't have the money to rent or buy a good breast pump nor the leisure time and support they would need to use said breastpump to re-lactate. :(

Sacha
12-09-2004, 12:34 PM
I still say we are responsible for our choices, and if I choose to feed my baby formula because someone gave me a gift bag in the hospital, then I had better be ready to deal with the consequences for that choice (financially, and health-wise).


When it is the middle of the night, and you can't get your baby to latch on, and you are tired and frustrated, are you going to keep trying because you don't have formula laying around?

I will say from experience, it was midnight, and I couldn't find the tiny card from the hospital with the LLL phone number on it, so who did I call for help? The hospital. They told me my baby was hungry give her a bottle. *sigh* I did. I had no one else to get advice from. I got the WIC people over a day later, but it was too late. She liked the bottle, and not my nipple. We had issues that could have been dealt with with the proper help, LLL most likely. I spent hours of the phone with my LLL leader with my second child and successfully breastfed him. But, I was NOT uneducated. I happened to have a case of formula the formula companies had sent me, and I fed it to my child because the doctor told me to. I had flatish nipples, and Satori had a high palette, but with proper help I could have breastfed her. I worked with my lactation consultant from WIC for a month before she told me it was time to mourn my breastfeeding relationship. I ended up pumping breastmilk... but it wasn't enough. I just feel there is no need to try to provoke someone to bottle feed. I know babies can be perfectly healthy with bottles, I also know breast is best.

J3
12-09-2004, 01:21 PM
yup nestle SUCKS
:mad: :mad: :mad:

~Denise~
12-09-2004, 02:16 PM
Very, very sad. :( :wah:

2xlechemom
12-09-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by meemee
This exact same argument could be used in this country. These same companies luring women into using artificial baby milk, are also doing the same unethical luring here in this country, even in your little community. Most persons would be appalled at the amount of pull formula companies have on maternity floors. Those complimentary "gift" bags are not gifts for the new parents given out of the goodness of the corporations loving, tender hearts. They are marketing ploys, tools used to lure young mothers away from breastfeeding- in favor of baby getting a "Good Start" on their formula. Good Start? Not nearly.
Yes, and when the sabotage suceeds, many of these mothers are "blessed" to have WIC to fall back on... let the govt.(meaning taxpayers) pay for it right? Formula makers make out quite well in this endeavor...our govt (meaning taxpayers) gives billion$$$ to the Formula makers for providing this less than adequate baby food, to a population of infants usually at a socio-economic disadvantage to begin with. Also, WIC is only supposed to supply up to 3/4 of the baby's food supply for the month. In many cases this leads desperate parents to water down artificial baby milk to make it last longer. Leading to a whole host of health problems for an infant who is already at a disadvantage due to being formula fed.
These companies are not the compassionate, caring, baby-loving, gentle-giants they would have people believe...with all the freebies and coupons and special magazines. They are simply a corporate enterprise with only one motive...$$$$.
Also, before assuming that formula in this country is "perfectly safe", seek out a pediatric gastroenterologist. An honest one will tell you if it weren't for formula, most would be picking a more lucrative specialty.
Formula was originally intended to keep alive infants who were not able to breastfeed, a very small minority. It has sadly turned into global greed, in the 3rd world and, believe it or not, your hometown.
All this, and more is avoided by giving an infant her birthright of warm, clean, safe breastmilk.

well said!

herc
12-09-2004, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Charity


I still say we are responsible for our choices, and if I choose to feed my baby formula because someone gave me a gift bag in the hospital, then I had better be ready to deal with the consequences for that choice (financially, and health-wise). I mean, if someon handed out illegal drugs in gift bags at the hospital, that doesn't mean I am going to start using them. As a parent it's our job to closely inspect things and make wise choices for our families and children. Just because a relative gives me a crib and a book on CIO, doesn't mean I am going to choose that route.


my question is, should the taxpayers be made to pay because of your choice? If you are recieving WIC, then YOU are not being financially responsible for your decision. This is an issue I have had with WIC for a long time. I have a very close friend who had a dd 3m before Liam. She attempted to breastfeed for abt 3 days, and then went to formula, because hey, it was free anyway, and breastfeeding was hard. I am one of the first people to tell you that YES it IS hard. Yes there are plenty of circumstances that it is warranted, but in her case it wasnt, and she had half a dozen friends that never tried to bfeed because WIC was such a simple and free option.

Please dont take this as me knocking anyone that bottlefeeds-- that isnt my intention. I just think that the public paying for millions of babies formula is wrong. Iif it is a choice that you make, then you should be responsible for your decision, and that includes financially responsible.
heather
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heather

glockchick
12-09-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by herc
my question is, should the taxpayers be made to pay because of your choice? If you are recieving WIC, then YOU are not being financially responsible for your decision. This is an issue I have had with WIC for a long time. I have a very close friend who had a dd 3m before Liam. She attempted to breastfeed for abt 3 days, and then went to formula, because hey, it was free anyway, and breastfeeding was hard. I am one of the first people to tell you that YES it IS hard. Yes there are plenty of circumstances that it is warranted, but in her case it wasnt, and she had half a dozen friends that never tried to bfeed because WIC was such a simple and free option.

Please dont take this as me knocking anyone that bottlefeeds-- that isnt my intention. I just think that the public paying for millions of babies formula is wrong. Iif it is a choice that you make, then you should be responsible for your decision, and that includes financially responsible.
heather
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heather


Yeah, that. :rolleyes:

SebastiansMommy
12-09-2004, 04:49 PM
I dont understand one thing. Why does Nestle push formula on these moms if they know they are too poor to keep buying it. Dont they depend on repeat business?

SebastiansMommy
12-09-2004, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by herc
my question is, should the taxpayers be made to pay because of your choice? If you are recieving WIC, then YOU are not being financially responsible for your decision. This is an issue I have had with WIC for a long time. I have a very close friend who had a dd 3m before Liam. She attempted to breastfeed for abt 3 days, and then went to formula, because hey, it was free anyway, and breastfeeding was hard. I am one of the first people to tell you that YES it IS hard. Yes there are plenty of circumstances that it is warranted, but in her case it wasnt, and she had half a dozen friends that never tried to bfeed because WIC was such a simple and free option.

Please dont take this as me knocking anyone that bottlefeeds-- that isnt my intention. I just think that the public paying for millions of babies formula is wrong. Iif it is a choice that you make, then you should be responsible for your decision, and that includes financially responsible.
heather
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heather

Well would you rather have your tax dollars pay for these moms to be feed their babies formula or pay for their hospital bills when they bring their malnourished babies in who are sick from only being fed cow's milk because formula is too expensive?

heather4285
12-09-2004, 05:02 PM
please do not flame me, i have a legitimate question.
in these third world countries where there isnt' enough food and the water is bad, how are the mamas getting enough food and safe water to make milk? it seems that they are probably malnourished as well and a combo of both might not be a bad idea.
heather

norasmama
12-09-2004, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by heather4285
please do not flame me, i have a legitimate question.
in these third world countries where there isnt' enough food and the water is bad, how are the mamas getting enough food and safe water to make milk?
They don't -- that's why babies die.

The bad water that will kill an infant with an immature immune system will most likely not harm an adult who is "used to" the water. And the mothers can eat all sorts of things -- infants don't have that option.

mnemonics
12-09-2004, 05:27 PM
That pic is really sad. But something about that photo doesn't seem right. If the lady was told to formula feed one of her babies, and formula is marketed as producing healthy babies, the lady would have fed her SON formula and not the daughter since in these countries (Pakistan, India etc) a boy child is favored - since they can work to support the family whereas for a daughter you end up paying dowry to get them married (equivalent to feeding your neighbor's cattle). And hence the high rates of female infanticide in these countries.


I seriously doubt Nestle or other formula companies go to hospital in these countries and push formula. Both my kiddos were born in India and firstly you don't get a thing from the hospital - you have to take everything with you including diapers etc. There is no one giving you free formula or free bottles - there is no talk of formula. And both my kiddos were born in different hospitals in different states. Everyone there was pro -nursing - in fact the nurses would come in to see how nursing is going and with my son I wasn't even sure he was getting anything, so the nurse lifted up my shirt and squeezed my breasts/nipples to show me that there was milk coming out.



Monica

Lmata
12-09-2004, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by SebastiansMommy
Well would you rather have your tax dollars pay for these moms to be feed their babies formula or pay for their hospital bills when they bring their malnourished babies in who are sick from only being fed cow's milk because formula is too expensive?

No, if there were more education,help, encouragement to breastfeed the babies wouldn't need tax money at all. Not for formula, hospitalization, nothing.

If formula was used for what it was made for: babies and mothers who truly can't have a breastfeeding relationship there wouldn't be the expence that poorer families can't afford.

Why is it that when I've had babies in the hospital the nurses tell new moms not to worry about problems they are having with breastfeeding? They tell them it will get worked it out at home :mad: These mothers need help. Its not easy and there is no one there to help them succeed. Instead they are told to suppliment with the bottle. Formula sent home with them "just in case you need it". It won't matter if you give him a bottle now, he'll still be able to nurse when you are home.

Where I live about 50% of babies born are to teen moms. They don't know how to best take care of their babies and the are being told this false info. Its so easy to get formula from wic.

I'm amazed at how few of these teen moms are breastfeeding. Even those that deliver at the birthing center have a low sucess rate past 6 weeks because none of their friends are breastfeeding. Makes me want to cry. :wah: I can't wait until my little ones are older so I can do more to help those teen moms see what is best for their babies and help them.

3boysnagrl
12-09-2004, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by SebastiansMommy
Well would you rather have your tax dollars pay for these moms to be feed their babies formula or pay for their hospital bills when they bring their malnourished babies in who are sick from only being fed cow's milk because formula is too expensive?

I'd rather my tax money was paying for education and HELP for breastfeeding.

lupineperriwink
12-09-2004, 05:50 PM
This is all I know on this subject: My friend was in the Peace Corps (3 years ago) in Nicaragua and it is against the law to formula feed under 1 years old. Many people will buy formula and water it down becasue they can't afford it. She was a trained breast feeding worker/health worker and worked with the health clinics and as part of the teen groups.

spiritfreedom
12-09-2004, 07:12 PM
Without going too far into detail on my responses to a couple of people, I'll just post this link and you can read about Nestle boycotting and why their company is deplorable.
http://shell.ihug.co.nz/~stu/milk.htm

downunder
12-09-2004, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by mnemonics
That pic is really sad. But something about that photo doesn't seem right. If the lady was told to formula feed one of her babies, and formula is marketed as producing healthy babies, the lady would have fed her SON formula and not the daughter since in these countries (Pakistan, India etc) a boy child is favored - since they can work to support the family whereas for a daughter you end up paying dowry to get them married (equivalent to feeding your neighbor's cattle). And hence the high rates of female infanticide in these countries.


Monica

The breastfed baby in the photo is (as per Milk Money Madness) the BOY.

This is what I have under the caption of the photo

"In many societies, the male infant is breastfed longer than the female or given priority. In this case of Pakistani twins, the male was breasfed and the female bottle-fed."

It goes on. It says the girl died of marasmus (I don't know what that is).

BunnyMcFluff
12-09-2004, 07:26 PM
I haven't read the rest of the thread, so I don't know what's been said already.

What's truly sad about the picture is that the girl twin was likely fed in the manner that she was because of her gender. It's not an uncommon practice in some societies, to feed male children more and higher quality foods. Boys are more highly valued, and girls are often seen as a waste of resources since they'll just become the property of their husbands in a few years.

norasmama
12-09-2004, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by downunder
It says the girl died of marasmus (I don't know what that is).
Marasmus: Synonyms and related keywords: severe malnutrition, protein energy malnutrition, PEM http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic164.htm

Gypsylily
12-10-2004, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Charity
I don't look at companies and think they are compassionate or caring based on their products. Most companies, unfortunately are out for the $$$$. That's usually why companies are started. It'd be nice if ethics were taken into consideration nowadays within companies, but more often than not they aren't. There is probably plenty of unethical stuff going on within companies we think are completely ethical.

I still say we are responsible for our choices, and if I choose to feed my baby formula because someone gave me a gift bag in the hospital, then I had better be ready to deal with the consequences for that choice (financially, and health-wise). I mean, if someon handed out illegal drugs in gift bags at the hospital, that doesn't mean I am going to start using them. As a parent it's our job to closely inspect things and make wise choices for our families and children. Just because a relative gives me a crib and a book on CIO, doesn't mean I am going to choose that route.

The best solution, is to educate people. Educate them on how to seek out information, educate them on how to read and follow instructions, educate them on how to financially forsee future costs based on present day purchases, educate them on breastfeeding and why it is a better choice. Educate them on how their decisions have consequences, some being good and some being bad. Teach people how to make better decisions.

And if formula companies are purposely dressing as medical prefessionals and giving out incorrect medical advice about breastfeeding to people in other countries, then the media needs to get involved and our government needs to be notified. And then again, the public needs to be aware of those people, and be on the look-out. Maybe more hospital security, meaning if they are not hospital paid staff, they don't beloing, especially strangers dressed as nurses.

Charity - I just wanted to pop back in and say that I didn't post this as a criticism to you for bottle-feeding your 3 kiddos. Okay? :)

I am happy to state that most babies do very well with formula (provided they are not allergic to it and that they get enough of it). There are zillions of people on this earth who were fed formula as babies.

I would also agree with you that there are tons of ****ty companies out there....not just Nestle and Wyeth (sp?). I personally boycott many companies, but I realize that everyone here doesn't care to hear about my environmental and animal rights boycotts.

You are also right that this problem occurs in the U.S not just in third world countries. I don't personally know any of those babies, but I am sure it happens here, too.

I posted about this boycott, b/c I think that all of us at Amitysworld love babies and would like to know about this situation in third world countries.

I didn't post to make people guilty about formula feeding their kids.

I know a lot of people are wondering why the mother of the Pakistani twins did what she did. The answer is we don't know. We can't judge her - her daughter died and she has probably suffered heartbreak from that. She can't change what she did. HOWEVER, if you read the caption, she does state that she allowed the photo to be taken so that her tragedy COULD help others. She wants people to learn from this terrible tragedy.