I am looking for opinions, or any other information you all can give me about Melaleuca, their company, their products etc...

Please - good or bad,
I appreciate it!

RUN!

RUN!!

RUN!!!

RUN *VERY* FAR AWAY!!!!

Unless the board has been pruned since the few discussions about it, you can do a search here about it.

Too bad the old MD wasn't around - Loads of info there. You can also check out snopes.com for more info on Mela.

Here's the Snopes link:

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/resolve.asp

Well before you "run" I would do the real re-search and not listen to emotional blasts and such but really look at the company and then make a decision based on education. I of course think they are great!! As far as the Snopes thing. That was one person who wrote that letter and if you look at Melaleuca's policies ( which I can fax you over by the way) you can see that its against policy to do those types of things, but since they are global they can not control nor babysit all of their marketing reps. All they can do is send out warnings in their monthly magazine ( which I can also fax you) that they will not tolorate that type of behaviour because it hurts people. The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life. Its interesting that when people see something on TV or in the paper or even a tabloid you dont so the same sort of invasive re-search.


http://www.inc.com/magazine/20041015/hidi-vandersloot.html

Melaleuca Credentials

Melaleuca was founded and has been in business since September 1985. Melaleuca is registered with the BBB.
http://www.idahofalls.bbb.org/common.html?location=/home/common/www/bips/report.php&bureau=ifalls&compid=87100024

Melaleuca is also a member in good standing of the Direct Selling Association (DSA)
http://www.dsa.org/directory/index.cfm?fuseaction=show_CompanyResults&CompanyName=Melaleuca&Products=&Sales=&Compensation=
and uphold the DSA's standard of ethics.
http://www.dsa.org/ethics/

They have been listed in Inc. 500 as one of the top companies five times between 1990 and 1994. In 2001, they were inducted into the Inc. 500 Hall of Fame.
http://www.inc.com/inc500/fame.html

In 1991, Melaleuca was presented with the Blue Chip Award by the American Chamber of Commerce.

In 1991, Melaleuca's President and CEO, Frank Vandersloot, was also appointed to the Board of Directors for the American Chamber of Commerce.
http://www.uschamber.com/about/board/all.htm




Source for Objective Reviews of Network Marketing Opportunities
http://www.mlmreview.com/mlmreview/melaleuca020.html

The date of the Melaleuca review was in 2000 - but still very relevant. In fact, we now have the online enrollment he refers to in this review and have since had record-breaking growth! (over $500,000,000 annual growth in 2003 alone.)

I tried the products and found the cleaners to work nicely. I wasn't impressed with some of the health products. My family just couldn't afford to meet the points requirements. If you want more natural stuff than what Mela has, I would see if there is a co-op going in your area. I found a church co-op and I get the same stuff that is in healthfood stores at wholesale prices.

All I know is that you have to buy a minimum amount of product every month. You sign up for it and it's shipped to you. Personally, I don't use $35 worth of cleaning supplies per month and I haven't been impressed with the fact that Melaleuca doesn't have their formulations on the website for anyone to see without having to contact a rep. The entire model of business is disturbing to me which is why I wouldn't buy from the company.

The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life. Its interesting that when people see something on TV or in the paper or even a tabloid you dont so the same sort of invasive re-search.

Curious what you are saying here? It's confusing and hard to understand....?

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life.

I am really curious whose life the ladies from Amitys supposedly invaded? Was it the woman who wrote the false story of what happened, or the supposed mother of the child who didn't really die?

Or are you maintaining that the Resolve story was actually true, despite the fact that no one can verify it?

Just curious

You aren't saying that since someone lied and sent around a false story, that women who decided to look more into the "story" somehow "invaded" peoples lives by demanding/wanting/asking for facts and the truth....? Are you? Is it called invading to not instantly believe a marketing ploy/tactic and to research it before believing it?

I think the people of and for Melaleuca would have prefered people not look into it, sure.

If you're looking for natural cleaning products I would suggest "Home Safe Home" for ways to make them yourself. If you're looking for a WAH oppertunity, I would not envolve myself with the company. What might be better would be "Secret Shopper" stuff.

Another great book on natural cleaners is "Clean House Clean Planet." She gives 100's of recipes for homemade cleaners that really work. And are a fraction of the cost of store-bought ones, let alone the ones from Melaleuca.

And when you make your own cleaners, you know what is in them. Mela does not disclose the ingredients in their products.

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
I would do the real re-search and not listen to emotional blasts

As far as the Snopes thing. That was one person who wrote that letter

The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life. Its interesting that when people see something on TV or in the paper or even a tabloid you dont so the same sort of invasive re-search.




oh puleeze!

First off, none of this is "emotional blasts" it is truth. hard to swallow isn't it?

The snopes thing: the email was not only by 1 woman! the freaking VP backed her up in our repeated requests for information! he said it was true. he said he had seen the funeral papers. it was a crock of bull sh*t!! he lied to everyone.

nobody invaded ANYONES life. The woman that wrote the email INVITED the public to call and ask questions. when she could not answer them and could not keep her story straight, she stopped responding!

to the OP-and from what I know of the products themself, they can be toxic. they are not all as good as they claim to be.

I just joined through my friend. I'm absolutely in love with their cleaning products and laundry items.

Originally posted by norasmama
Another great book on natural cleaners is "Clean House Clean Planet." She gives 100's of recipes for homemade cleaners that really work. And are a fraction of the cost of store-bought ones, let alone the ones from Melaleuca.

And when you make your own cleaners, you know what is in them. Mela does not disclose the ingredients in their products.

This is the book I use.:thumbsup: 90% of my cleaners come from this book, and they work wonderfully! Easy to make and cheap too!

RUUUUUUUUUN AWAAAYYY!!!!!

MELEUECA IS THE DEVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also there are great cleaner recipies in the "Super baby food" book :thumbsup:

You are either for Mela or against it...

Are you thinking of being a customer/ bus. Opp.?

My humble opinion : I would not recommend it to a friend business or product.

Product: At least the ones I tried were fine, some are toxic don't believe everything everyone tells you w/ regard to this Company and it's products...

Animal Testing: true but again I got in quite a tiff with some reps over this and all anyone has to do is contact PETA for the Copies of Original letters from the president/party involved that basically blew this into public light/knowledge

As far as the company itself, I always get the standard, "it's not the company it's the sales person representing the company....."
I feel that if a company is highly ethical as they claim, they better know who is representing them and what they are saying/claiming about the company and the product...

The Refund: you sign up and if not satisfied you get a refund,
I sent back unused unopened boxes and after three written requests, finally got a refund for all my investment so I guess they follow through with that end.

I do know friends that swear by it, but I guess it just feels slimy to me for some reason and if I am not the only one that gets this vibe, maybe there is something "wrong".

:heart:

I personally like a lot of their products. I don't have a problem ordering 35 points per month. I use their cleaning products, some of their health and beauty products, and other products. I don't push the product nor do I have any desire to do the business end of it.

It's like Walmart, you like it or you hate it.

I have no knowledge of their products or business practices, but $35 a month is too much money for my budget.

I use Dr Bronners for cleaning. I paid $23 for a gallon 2 years ago and still have 1/3 of that left. That will be even less than $1 per month.

Baking soda, vinegar (not together LOL) and a little elbow grease are very cheap but get the job done well. All of the above mentioned things are non toxic. You could even brush your teeth with any of those, including the Dr Bronners. I believe that the Dr Bronners is not animal tested either.

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
That was one person who wrote that letter and if you look at Melaleuca's policies ( which I can fax you over by the way) you can see that its against policy to do those types of things, but since they are global they can not control nor babysit all of their marketing reps.

IMO the person who first posted the lie here (as well as all the reps who forwarded it and posted it elsewhere) are just as guilty. The marketing of this company disgusts me. I've noticed some of the reps to behave like they're in some sort of cult. My opinion is that it totally creepy and I'd stay far away.

Here is my honest opinion.

Its really not worth the investment. I joined back about 4 years ago and liked their products okay, but was told they were safe, etc. I have since found out some are toxic and they do animal testing.

Also, when I decided to cancel, they continued to ship autoship boxes for THREE MONTHS, even after I faxed my letter to them and called to discontinue.
I had to close my cc account to get them to stop charging, THEN they wouldn't send me a check for reimbursement. They said they would only credit the card that the shipments were charged to.

Anyhow, here I am 4 years later and Melaleuca STILL owes me money, over $100

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life. Its interesting that when people see something on TV or in the paper or even a tabloid you dont so the same sort of invasive re-search.

Actually I do extensive research even before believing things on TV or in the paper and I don't read tabloids. :D

So... I didn't get involved in that mess, but I don't agree w/ the analysis that it was just this one situation.

My parents always used to say, "be sure, the truth will find you out." If you (general you, referring to anyone) make up a lie or even just twist the truth... well, it comes out eventually. To imply the ones in the *wrong* are those who seek out the truth is just not right.

Edited to add -- I was a member for a while, and when I couldn't afford it, they refused to cancel the account and sent two more shipments and charged me and it was a huge mess. :( They never would refund me either.

My goodness... there is such a huge difference in opinions from everyone I have talked to - like someone had already said - you either love it or hate it.
I was curious because someone had approached me about the business end of it. I had heard of their products before and I think tried something of theire a while back too, but not enough to make a judgement and I wanted to find out everything I could before I wasted my time or hers.
I appreciate all the links and such - it looks like I have a lot more ground to cover than I thought... :-)

Of course the people who are in it are going to sell you on it. That's how they make their money. I'd suggest talking to people who no longer are involved. Doesn't the fact that they don't let you cancel or refund your money scare you?

You may want to do some reading here - http://www.amitymama.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187668&highlight=Melaleuca and I think we should bump that thread because it does have some important information and it will probably be pruned soon.

more info -
http://www.amitymama.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188612&highlight=Melaleuca

http://www.amitymama.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193721&highlight=Melaleuca

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/AFTERMOMS/

No woman's life was invaded because there WAS NO WOMAN!

A child did NOT die, so no one could be invaded. As soon as people started asking who the mother of the supposed deceased child was, no one would tell her name, state, or phone number. Because it was a LIE.

Lie.

The mama who posted it here had received it from her "higher up" which was just starting to happen all over the company.

Until some really concerned mamas got involved and helped to stop a horribly cruel rumor before it got even more out of hand.

If any woman anywhere had had a child die, no one would ever even consider adding to her grief.

But there was no death.

Originally posted by norasmama
Another great book on natural cleaners is "Clean House Clean Planet." She gives 100's of recipes for homemade cleaners that really work. And are a fraction of the cost of store-bought ones, let alone the ones from Melaleuca.

And when you make your own cleaners, you know what is in them. Mela does not disclose the ingredients in their products.

Would it be possible to post a few simple recipes here? I might be interested in making my own. Thanks!

Originally posted by shanleysmama
Would it be possible to post a few simple recipes here? I might be interested in making my own. Thanks! Once the baby goes down for a nap, I'll type out my favorite recipes for you. :thumbsup:

The marketing of this company disgusts me. I've noticed some of the reps to behave like they're in some sort of cult. My opinion is that it totally creepy and I'd stay far away.

I feel the same way about all of these MLM'ish companies. I'm assuming its something of that sort. OK, sure it's nice to have a business that supports the family vs. buying from a large corporation, but I never really appreciated any of those things. I hated being invited to all the crappin candle parties and book parties and toy parties and tupperware parties and makeup parties and decoration parties and so on and so on. I could never do one of those things myself, just because I am not a salesperson. It always made me feel like the person was pimping themselves, suckering in all their friends and family, so they could make a couple of bucks and so the company could make a ton more. They count on the fact that everyone will feel 'obligated' to buy something. THEN they want you to sucker in all of YOUR friends and family and throw a party, and OOOOOH, you get a free candle!

I had a friend that was in gosh I forget the name, but it was a nasty MLM. They sold products as well, mostly to the people in the company. So basically they use you to make more money for them, and then sell you stuff you probably don't even need, for the sake of a 'good deal'. I hated what it turned her into for about a year there. They tried to suck us in, but we flat out resisted, and I'm glad we did, they lost money and faith in it afterwards. It was very cult-ish and kind of freaky the way they try to suck you in. Only the people at the top make the big $$, and they probably cackle at the thought of all the minions below them while they count their money.

I know I could get flamed for this, there are plenty of people here involved in these types of business opportunities. If it works for you, more power to you, but it's not for me.

The Naturally Clean Home. I'll post some of my faves from it later.

There is this thread as well:

http://www.amitymama.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178517&highlight=suckered

Also they will not disclose their ingredients to anyone with the exeption of a large organization like a school for example. Their products are not no-toxic, heck, tea tree oil can harm you if ingested and a lot of their products contain it (hence the name Melaleuka).

I personally would not buy it or sell it.

The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life. Its interesting that when people see something on TV or in the paper or even a tabloid you dont so the same sort of invasive re-search.

You missed the boat woman! There was no lady that was invaded as there was NO MOM WHO LOST A SON from ingesting carpet cleaner. I cannot believe that you still believe any of this!

One of the reason I chose not to use their products is they use flouride in their toothpaste, they use SLS cancer causing bubbles in their bubble bath, and they use synthetic fragrances, dyes and fillers in many of their bath and body care products. And the SLS is in their anti-acid tablets that I unfortunately took through my two pregnancies.

So their are things that can KILL your child or you in many of their products.

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Alice's WonderSpray™ (from Clean House, Clean Planet by Karen Logan)

Combine the following ingredients in a 32 oz. spray bottle:

White vinegar - 1/4 cup

Borax - 2 tsp.

Hot water - almost fill bottle

Liquid Dish soap - 1/4 cup. Add last (try Palmolive or Seventh Generation)

Essential oil - 10 to 15 drops (optional, for scent. try lavender or lemon)

First of all,

great resource for a healthy home (http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/home/index.asp)

2nd of all, my good friend is a children's enviornmental scientist with

Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (http://www.iatp.org/)

you can join her list serve by emailing her

Email Kathleen Schuler (kschuler@ix.netcom.com)

> Doesn't the fact that they don't let you cancel or refund your money scare you? >


If you read the Policies it says you need to write a letter of cancelation and mail it in, it wont be accepted any other way, they need to have your signature so no they dont keep your money or just ship you stuff. You need to get your letter in if you chose to cancel. Some people just want to call and cancel but they can not, because anyone can say they are you can cancel your acount. If they just stole your money they wouldnt have a clean record in the BBB.

>they use SLS cancer causing bubbles in their bubble bath>

Did someone mention Urban legends??? Re-search, re-search! By the way they do not have bubble bath.

Here are 2 reputable sites that talk about this ingredient! As well as Melaleuca has on their site under Debunking the myths. Education is key. Isnt it great that Melaleuca does infact use safe, healthy ingredients!

Sodium Lauryl and Laureth Sulfate
http://www.wholefoods.com/products/sls.html

Here is another site at Urban legends that talks about Sodium Laureth/laurel Sulfate
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa090998.htm

>The mama who posted it here had received it from her "higher up" which was just starting to happen all over the company.>

Oh you mean Jessica? You dont remember the Mama but say her "higher up" I am her "higher up" and I recieved it from her to which I told her NOT to post it anywhere unless she knew if it was true, because to me it was obvious common sense that it was a scare email. Unfortunaly she had already posted it here before she recieved my email. Facts straight please.

<The snopes thing: the email was not only by 1 woman! the freaking VP backed her up in our repeated requests for information! he said it was true. he said he had seen the funeral papers. it was a crock of bull sh*t!! he lied to everyone.>

VP backed her up huh? No VP of Melaleuca backed up that letter or the claims in it.



<Their products are not no-toxic,>
Melaleuca has never claimed their products to be Non-toxic, Water can be toxic. They state they are better, healtheir, then your store brand which they are.


<Animal Testing: true but again I got in quite a tiff with some reps over this and all anyone has to do is contact PETA for the Copies of Original letters from the president/party involved that basically blew this into public light/knowledge>

Do a further search in that site and you will find that no they do not promote animal testing or animal cruelty.

<I feel that if a company is highly ethical as they claim, they better know who is representing them and what they are saying/claiming about the company and the product...>

As I said they are global and can not baby sit everyone, its common sense, the policies are in place and they do take action when they get wind of unethical practices. I mean no matter what company you are working for their are alwasys some employees going against policy etc..

I would also reccomend making your own products- that way you know what's in them and it can save you a ton of $$! I have been doing it for about 3+ years and love it!

(not all are natural but I liked this link)
Household Recipes (http://www.recipegoldmine.com/house/house.html)

If you do a search you should come up with a ton of different ideas! Super crunch is also a great place to go and ask questions!

Also "The Queen of Clean" has many books out and many of her recipes are great and all natural (not all though but a good many). :thumbsup:

Good luck :)

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
As far as the Snopes thing. That was one person who wrote that letter and if you look at Melaleuca's policies ( which I can fax you over by the way) you can see that its against policy to do those types of things, but since they are global they can not control nor babysit all of their marketing reps. All they can do is send out warnings in their monthly magazine ( which I can also fax you) that they will not tolorate that type of behaviour because it hurts people. The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life. Its interesting that when people see something on TV or in the paper or even a tabloid you dont so the same sort of invasive re-search.


Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
Oh you mean Jessica? You dont remember the Mama but say her "higher up" I am her "higher up" and I recieved it from her to which I told her NOT to post it anywhere unless she knew if it was true, because to me it was obvious common sense that it was a scare email. Unfortunaly she had already posted it here before she recieved my email. Facts straight please.

which one is it? amity mama's invaded some poor family's life or it was a hoax and you knew better? obviously you were one of the only mela moms that knew it was a hoax since a few came to amitys JUST to post about it
here (http://www.amitymama.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187668&perpage=20&highlight=mela&pagenumber=1) and let's not forget this post (http://www.amitymama.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188612&highlight=mela) that claims a mela rep was indeed faxed a funeral program.

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
> Doesn't the fact that they don't let you cancel or refund your money scare you? >

If you read the Policies it says you need to write a letter of cancelation and mail it in, it wont be accepted any other way, they need to have your signature so no they dont keep your money or just ship you stuff. You need to get your letter in if you chose to cancel. Some people just want to call and cancel but they can not, because anyone can say they are you can cancel your acount. If they just stole your money they wouldnt have a clean record in the BBB.


That may be policy but that doesn't mean it always works. I sent a WRITTEN letter WITH my signature, had PROOF of delivery (DC and return reciept) and STILL they would not cancel it. Even after I gave them the DC # that showed it had been delievered and told them I had a signed return reciept. I had to resend the letter - AGAIN - with DC & return reciept. They only finally cancelled it when I threatened to call the BBB.

Just because a company doesn't have negatives on their BBB doesn't mean that much. It just means (theoretically, I'm not saying that they have been reported) that when they are reported, they resolved it with the customer, then it's not put on their report.


Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
<The snopes thing: the email was not only by 1 woman! the freaking VP backed her up in our repeated requests for information! he said it was true. he said he had seen the funeral papers. it was a crock of bull sh*t!! he lied to everyone.>

VP backed her up huh? No VP of Melaleuca backed up that letter or the claims in it.
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Maybe not a "VP" but Kevin Vincent himself sent out that same information, then another email claiming it was true and he received a copy of the funeral program, and then yet another admitting it wasn't true. :rolleyes: How high up is he?

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches

<Their products are not no-toxic,>
Melaleuca has never claimed their products to be Non-toxic, Water can be toxic. They state they are better, healtheir, then your store brand which they are.
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They may not claim it, but what about all the ads we see everywhere trying to pull us in? Those ads from the Mom team and others sure do make big claims about the safety of the products...

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches

<Animal Testing: true but again I got in quite a tiff with some reps over this and all anyone has to do is contact PETA for the Copies of Original letters from the president/party involved that basically blew this into public light/knowledge>

Do a further search in that site and you will find that no they do not promote animal testing or animal cruelty.
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How can you say they don't promote animal testing when they admit they test on animals? :confused: Seriously, I am confused there...

I just wanted to add that I sent in a cancelation letter also....3 TIMES!!! They would NOT cancel my account! I also had to threaten them with the BBB...in the meantime they kept billing me for products they said they sent out (I never got a thing :rolleyes: ) and THEN...had the nerve to send me to a collection agency.


They really are a horrible company.... I say vinegar and baking soda!
:thumbsup:

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>they use SLS cancer causing bubbles in their bubble bath>

it great that Melaleuca does infact use safe, healthy ingredients!

Sodium Lauryl and Laureth Sulfate
http://www.wholefoods.com/products/sls.html

Well I will not use SLS and I won't use alluminum and we can keep debating that one.

I am sorry but most of Malelucha's products are not natural. Dyes and synthetic fragrances are not natural and I was thinking of the shower gel not bubble bath.

I don't let my kids bath in grape flavored anything. That is a red flag that something is not pure. We will stick with lavender. Danica makes some great shower gels!

:usa:

They really are a horrible company.... I say vinegar and baking soda!
:thumbsup: [/B]

Sweet orange essential oil works fabulously also!:D You can make a paste with baking soda, and essential oils.
Also, if people want really natural products like in the HFS, try a co-op, and see how much interest and availibility there is in your town. I have been getting some fabulous products at wholesale prices.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
<That may be policy but that doesn't mean it always works. I sent a WRITTEN letter WITH my signature, had PROOF of delivery (DC and return reciept) and STILL they would not cancel it. Even after I gave them the DC # that showed it had been delievered and told them I had a signed return reciept. I had to resend the letter - AGAIN - with DC & return reciept. They only finally cancelled it when I threatened to call the BBB. >

Um, You can not send a plain Letter with Delivery confirmation. In order to get Delivery confirmation it must go priority. So either you sent it priority and forgot because you didnt mention it here, or you didnt send it with Delivery confirmation or you are just getting on the band wagon.

<Maybe not a "VP" but Kevin Vincent himself sent out that same information, then another email claiming it was true and he received a copy of the funeral program, and then yet another admitting it wasn't true. How high up is he?>

Kevin Vincent is not a VP and doesnt work within Melaleuca he is just a rep. I never got anything or saw anything from him. Interesting you say a "VP" I mean come one ladies your getting mad because someone made false claims but your doing the exact same thing with false claims.


Goodness. :(

I didn't make any false claims. I didn't say he was a VP - in fact I said, maybe not a "VP" - I realize he's a rep, but yes, he is high up. I was just pointing out that it wasn't isolated to a few reps who were lower in the ranks.

And second of all, oh my GOSH!! I didn't say HOW I mailed it - I didn't say I sent it first class or priority, so don't act like I LIED. Yes I did send it priority - I didn't want them taking more money out of my account that I couldn't afford and needed to buy groceries with and I needed to get it there in less than a week, if you must know. I'm sorry, I didn't think it was necessary to mention that. HOWEVER, you certainly CAN get delivery confirmation with First Class! All you have to do is use stamps.com or click n' ship and it's only 13 cents. Here: http://www.usps.com/send/waystosendmail/extraservices/optionalserviceandfeaturefees.htm#DeliveryConfirma tion

Go ahead and pick MY story apart. I have nothing to hide. Why is it an issue how I sent the letter? :confused:

Might wanna check your facts before accusing me of lying. The USPS link above clearly shows you CAN get DC with first class.

And no, I'm not getting on any bandwagon.

Good grief. I don't need this. Don't jump on me.

And PLEASE realize that just because you have a good experience with them, not everyone does. I can fully believe that other people love the company. I'm not saying you don't have that right. I had a bad experience.

By the way, there is a HUGE difference in MEDICAL testing on animals such as does with CF, and testing of cosmetics on animals. There are viable and reliable alternatives to cosmetic animal testing. Mixing issues doesn't change that. (ETA - I don't support either, but just wanted to point out the difference iis where good alternatives exist.)

I'm done with this thread...

Originally posted by *snowflake*
Goodness. :(

I didn't make any false claims. I didn't say he was a VP - in fact I said, maybe not a "VP" - I realize he's a rep, but yes, he is high up. I was just pointing out that it wasn't isolated to a few reps who were lower in the ranks.

And second of all, oh my GOSH!! I didn't say HOW I mailed it - I didn't say I sent it first class or priority, so don't act like I LIED. Yes I did send it priority - I didn't want them taking more money out of my account that I couldn't afford and needed to buy groceries with and I needed to get it there in less than a week, if you must know. I'm sorry, I didn't think it was necessary to mention that. HOWEVER, you certainly CAN get delivery confirmation with First Class! All you have to do is use stamps.com or click n' ship and it's only 13 cents. Here: http://www.usps.com/send/waystosendmail/extraservices/optionalserviceandfeaturefees.htm#DeliveryConfirma tion

Go ahead and pick MY story apart. I have nothing to hide. Why is it an issue how I sent the letter? :confused:

Might wanna check your facts before accusing me of lying. The USPS link above clearly shows you CAN get DC with first class.

And no, I'm not getting on any bandwagon.

Good grief. I don't need this. Don't jump on me.

And PLEASE realize that just because you have a good experience with them, not everyone does. I can fully believe that other people love the company. I'm not saying you don't have that right. I had a bad experience.

By the way, there is a HUGE difference in MEDICAL testing on animals such as does with CF, and testing of cosmetics on animals. There are viable and reliable alternatives to cosmetic animal testing. Mixing issues doesn't change that.

I'm done with this thread...

:thumbsup: you took the words right out of my mouth mama!! I pretty much had the same experience as you too.
Don't take it personally.....

Conducting inteligent animal testing on life-saving medical cures is VERY different in my opinion than testing Grape flavored Shower Gel.

Thanks MoonDancer. :( After nearly 5 years here I thought mamas knew me well enough to know I have no reason to sit around making up lies, and I really don't like it being implied. :shake: Sorry you had a bad experience, too.

Ugh, was meant to be a pm - good thing I didn't type the rest of what I was thinking... :D But I'm gonna leave it here anyway... no use editing now. ;)

Um, You can not send a plain Letter with Delivery confirmation. In order to get Delivery confirmation it must go priority. So either you sent it priority and forgot because you didnt mention it here, or you didnt send it with Delivery confirmation or you are just getting on the band wagon. I am not getting involved here persay, but you can send a first class mail w/Delivery Confirmation. The 'rule' says it has to be at least 3/4" at it's thickest point, but some Post Offices will let you send just plain letters. I did it as recently as last week so I am 100% positive about this.

And as far as SLS: it causes big open sores inside my children's and husband's mouths when it's in their toothpaste, so I don't care if there is proof that says SLS is safe, this is like someone telling me the drinking water in Baton Rouge is safe just because it is on paper. We live in cancer alley surronded by Petrochemical plants, I higher doubt the water is tremendously safe, just like, personally, from my own research and experience I do not believe SLS is all it is cracked up to be.

Carry on ladies. :)

All I can say is I bet there are no tupperware, Avon or Mary Kay threads anywhere like this.

I am sorry but it is like you are all brainwashed.

I would never sit here and argue with anyone on what a great company bragg's liquid aminos is even though at times I would like to inject it. Oh and their apple cider vinegar. And don't get me started on Bronners.

This is just not healthy.

I hate grape flavored anything!

<<By the way, there is a HUGE difference in MEDICAL testing on animals such as does with CF, and testing of cosmetics on animals. There are viable and reliable alternatives to cosmetic animal testing. Mixing issues doesn't change that. (ETA - I don't support either, but just wanted to point out the difference iis where good alternatives exist.)>>

They dont test on animlas with their cosmetics. They dont test on animals when it comes to that stuf. They are a pharmicutical company and like any other pharmicutical if somthing comes along that will benift cancer patients or heart patients or the like and legally testing has to be done that benfits humands then it will have to be done. So again false claims as far as the testing goes.

There is no threads about Avon because everyone knows Avon has unsafe ingredients in their products. Avon doesnt claim to be safer and healtheir so nothing to debate.

As far as your letter, I do not know you personally to know it you are telling the truth or lieing and you might be doing either. I do know of other Momas here who people believe them to be the most honest people who flat out lied here because I know personally the situation and the letters were never sent. If it were such and issue as it is here on Amitys it would be more widespread.

They do not have a grape flavored shower gel.

As far as the VP thing goes it was Jessica_momof6 who made the false claim,
<the freaking VP backed her up in our repeated requests for information! he said it was true. he said he had seen the funeral papers. it was a crock of bull sh*t!! he lied to everyone.>

Oh I guess they quit carrying the grape before you joined the company. They had it back when I looked at the company like 10 years ago.

And your company is not much more natural than Avon. Put it this way Burts Bees, Body Shop and Bath and Body Works, Amyway, Shaklee are not natural either. But what I am saying is where do you see on any Board Avon reps defending like your Melaleuca reps do. It scares me.

fruity hair wash would be un-natural
Koala Pals Tear-Free Hair Wash gently cleans and conditions hair in one easy step. Provitamin B, chamomile, and naturally derived conditioners tame tough tangles on the spot. Leaves hair soft and buildup-free, making it easier to style. Kids love the fun, fruity fragrance and easy-to-hold bottle.

not natural and gross, bubblegum toothpaste!
Only Koala Pals contains the 3-in-1 blend of fluoride, calcium, and Melaleuca Oil to provide strong cavity protection and help eliminate odor-causing bacteria. The result? Strong, healthy teeth for your little ones. Protects young teeth with calcium and flouride—great bubble gum taste.

Over 50% of five- to nine-year-old children have at least one cavity or filling, and 78% of children under the age of 17 have had at least one cavity. Tooth brushing can protect young teeth from cavities and fillings, but tooth brushing with Koala Pals toothpaste works even better.

Pear Raspberry is not natural. No essential oil of either
gentle cleanser - made with our Hydrating Fruit Complex that nurtures your skin.

Your pampering experience begins each morning with Sun Valley Moisturizing Body Wash. From the moment you smooth on this extraordinary formula, you'll experience pure luxury that ends with beautiful, silky-smooth skin. Sun Valley Moisturizing Body Wash is a gentle cleanser — made with our Hydrating Fruit Complex that nurtures your skin. The result is amazing — skin looks and feels more supple and youthful. Plus, this exclusive body wash "washes in" moisturizing vitamins and botanicals to keep your skin smooth and baby-soft.

"They are a pharmicutical company " (sic)

Seriously?! Where is that information available?

Bethany

Ya know, I was going to leave this thread alone, but I don't like personal attacks against my character. I don't know you either but I haven't said you lied. :( I believe you love Melaleuca - 24 of your last 40-some posts are in defense/promotion of them. And that's fine. :) I am GLAD you've had a good experience with them. The OP asked for info/opinions and I shared mine. You shared yours. Can't we just leave it at that?

You want widespread problems? Here.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?submit22=Search+All+The+Latest+Rip-Off+Reports+Now%21&q1=ALL&q2=&q3=&q4=&q5=melaleuca&q6=&q7=

http://www.wahm.com/boards/Forum17/HTML/000693.html

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/AFTERMOMS/

There are plenty more out there, it's not just a few...

Even their BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU REPORT reflects that people have difficulty getting them to cancel their memberships AND that there ARE unresolved complaints! Just because they respond to a complaint doesn't mean they made things right. Most people are probably like me and drop the issue just to get them to cancel the membership and stop auto-shipping.

http://www.idahofalls.bbb.org/common.html?location=/home/common/www/bips/report.php&bureau=ifalls&compid=87100024

Customer Experience

Based on BBB files this company has responded to all complaints. While all complaints have been responded to a few consumers remain dissatisfied even though the company made good faith efforts to resolve the complaints. Complaints brought to the attention of the Bureau allege dissatisfaction with the time it takes to cancel the distributorship agreement. Since distributors cancellation must be received in writing by Melaleuca, it is alleged that the automatic bank withdrawals and product orders continue past the time that the distributor has mailed their cancellation notice. This time lapse has been the basis of most concerns brought to the attention of the Bureau.

we could get a separate MLM Market board so all the cult freak network marketers could just SPAM one another all day long and talk about how great there products are and the rest of us could be left alone? Anyone wanna vote on it?

Originally posted by MamaJosie
we could get a separate MLM Market board so all the cult freak network marketers could just SPAM one another all day long and talk about how great there products are and the rest of us could be left alone? Anyone wanna vote on it?

best idea I've heard all day :thumbsup:

:joker: :bow:

I have never used anything from Melaleuca, I have also never worked for them. I did neither of those things because about 6 years ago, I was approached by a rep from Melaleuca that basically stalked me trying to get me to become a rep for Melaleuca. That just freaked me out and put a huge reg flag on the company. I am a person that does look at people that represent a company, that, in itself, would make or break my sale.
Melaleuca has been picked apart here and everywhere for good reason, everyone has their family in their best interest.
This is just MY opinion...

IMO, read through this thread and the people that are pushing for Mela and their attitudes. Need I say more?

I tell you, I was STEAMED when that thread came up by Jess and the lies, etc. that were sent on to her, BUT this company (and obviously her higher up here!) pretty much turned their back on HER once they were found out to be lying. They stuck up for her at first until it all came out and then acted like they either didn't know her or couldn't believe she did what she did by posting (what one of the other reps had sent her and told her to get the word out about!)

Not the kind of business or people *I* want to be involved in, personally.

Disgusting.

Well, you got your opinions, eh?

Apparently Denise is all *ALONE* in this thread believing Mela is a ~*~WONDERFUL~*~ company.

Secondly, just reading all of the extremely defensive responses from Denise (TwidleBritches) reminds me of why I stayed away. The responses by her are by far still not making Melaleuca look good.


I couldn't agree more.

Mela should be very proud of their brainwashing techniques. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Casmi
Well, you got your opinions, eh?

Apparently Denise is all *ALONE* in this thread believing Mela is a ~*~WONDERFUL~*~ company.



I couldn't agree more.

Mela should be very proud of their brainwashing techniques. :thumbsup:

Hey, you got to what I said before I could edit it...oh well, I guess I should have kept it there...:D

Originally posted by Elly
Hey, you got to what I said before I could edit it...oh well, I guess I should have kept it there...:D

LOL Sorry! ;) But it's the truth, chickie!

Originally posted by MamaJosie
we could get a separate MLM Market board so all the cult freak network marketers could just SPAM one another all day long and talk about how great there products are and the rest of us could be left alone? Anyone wanna vote on it?

:hahaha: and :thumbsup:

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches



Facts straight please.


VP backed her up huh? No VP of Melaleuca backed up that letter or the claims in it.






bull s h i t.

get your facts straight please.

we saw the email. he was a very high up there man.

wanna try again?

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches


As far as the VP thing goes it was Jessica_momof6 who made the false claim,
<the freaking VP backed her up in our repeated requests for information! he said it was true. he said he had seen the funeral papers. it was a crock of bull sh*t!! he lied to everyone.>.


so I got his title wrong. he was a higher up in the company that still made those claims.

still shows that the company is dishonest.

Originally posted by *snowflake*
Thanks MoonDancer. :( After nearly 5 years here I thought mamas knew me well enough to know I have no reason to sit around making up lies, and I really don't like it being implied. :shake: Sorry you had a bad experience, too.

Ugh, was meant to be a pm - good thing I didn't type the rest of what I was thinking... :D But I'm gonna leave it here anyway... no use editing now. ;)

don't let her get to you.

look at the source.

originally posted by twiddlebritches
Um, You can not send a plain Letter with Delivery confirmation. In order to get Delivery confirmation it must go priority. So either you sent it priority and forgot because you didnt mention it here, or you didnt send it with Delivery confirmation or you are just getting on the band wagon.
yes-you can. I have done it several times.

Originally posted by MamaJosie
we could get a separate MLM Market board so all the cult freak network marketers could just SPAM one another all day long and talk about how great there products are and the rest of us could be left alone? Anyone wanna vote on it?

LOL!!! Yes, please, can we have some rule about no MLM spam? Please!

Mela is scary to me. I'm sure that they have perfectly decent products, like millions of other companies. However, they have a unique way of brainwashing their reps that I haven't seen w/other companies (Avon, MK, etc.). Pretty disturbing. And I still don't understand why they think these products are so safe and natural.......and they seem to think they are the only company making "safe" products. Haven't they heard of Seventh Generation, Ecos, BioKleen, Mrs. Meyers, etc? Mela is pricey and not all natural, yet they market their products as the only safe and affordable products out there. Whatever. One would have to be a total idiot to buy into all that. Buyer beware.

Kristi

First of all naturalmamabarter does not allow MLM's. Wonder why.

MLM's are not WAHM, it is like the WAHM's are prostitutes for crappy products made by white CEO's. I am so sick by this, I will not shut up. I hate it!

Originally posted by Elly
Melaleuca has been picked apart here and everywhere for good reason, everyone has their family in their best interest.
This is just MY opinion...

Gosh Elly, put your family first. And remember this is not a cult!!http://www.yourfamilyfirst.com/images/soccer.jpg We are people from all walks of life whose mission is to help families, like yours and ours, create better, safer, and healthier lives.

We accomplish this by helping others achieve good health and complete wellness; personal wellness, family wellness, and financial wellness.

We're dedicated to helping families attain peace of mind by getting out of debt and achieving financial security, while creating time freedom for the real things that matter, like spending time with those we care about.

As members of this team of energetic families and individuals, we share values and beliefs, working together to take control of our lives. Together, we can achieve so much more!

:juggle: I challenge any of you to find me a MaryKay or Avon webpage as gross as this! (http://www.yourfamilyfirst.com/cgi-bin/team.cgi?id=Ad11998&action=show) :juggle:

Wendi I like you. It is high time for you to come on over to the

dark side (http://www.tinklebelle.com/Forums/index.php?) :spam:

And did you make me the raisin diaper a million years ago? I still love it.

like to know if anyone would want a separate WAHM market board from those selling products from a corporate MLM. Maybe I will do a poll. Never done one yet. I am not trying to say I am totally against all these MLM products or companies. I think some are better than others though with their tactics. I have bought an occasional pampered chef item (baking stones come to mind) and there are other companies I like the products from like Creative Memories, Close to My Heart etc. but I learned the hard way that many of these companies use extremely invasive tactics to "convert" people and I am so done with it. I feel that it is a truly sinister way for corporate greed to invade our most private family relationships and friendships. I dunno, I guess it ain't my site but supporting wahms or buying and trading used/secondhand goods seems much more in line with the goals of this site.

I realize MLMs may help some women stay home and that is a good thing but ask yourself if you are alienating all your family and friends to support "the company" is it worth it? I was downright stalked and bullied by a school board member in my town (at school functions no less) selling Quixtar (Amway reinventing itself online) and I finally had to get ugly with her. All I am saying is maybe we could discuss some way to amicably exist better on this board or consider multiple forums or stricter rules on spam. Yes I know it is a market board but if you are going to spam 20 times a day or go in for the kill with your working at home and loving it super-secret "opportunity" to every piece of fresh meat that stumbles onto Amitys, why don't you consider springing for a banner ad or sig link (don't those cost now). I am rambling but to the lady asking about Mela-whatchamacallit, this company makes me want to HURL! Oh and it cracks me up about the misnamed VP - I mean that guy who got the supposed "funeral program" is probably a 15th generation in someone's downline. The VP's aint working with customers - they are laughing all the way to the bank while the downline terrorizes their family and friends!!!

this is from naturalmamabarter

You know I had not considered that people might post MLM type
businesses on Friday sales given the list's policy on these business in
general, so I apologize for not being clearer and not better
anticipating the potential conflict. So, to tell you the truth I was
just observing and sort of considering it and then I realized-
oh my gosh...there are so MANY, MANY UBB consultants here on this list
who might possibly post the same ad- not to mention other distributors
from other MLMs.....imagine the potential for a moment. How about 50-60
people who are distributors for the same company sending in a clearance
ad (exactly the same items and prices) post up on a Friday. We have
300 members currently and we are less than a year old. We have lot's of
members who are distributors for the same companies.

It was actually a UBB consultant here who brought this issue up when
the list first began and convinced me that it was not a great idea. I
really agree. I happen to really like this particular business- and I
realize that many moms boost their income this way. This list is just
really for moms who own their own naturally focused businesses to trade
and to sell and for everyone and anyone to barter their (mostly)
natural goods and services- not professional necessarily.

I think this is the best way to go. I know there are many lists for
WAHM to promote their businesses including MLMs. I big reason I started
this list was to get away from that and have something much more
focused on the kinds of things I really wanted to find and trade/buy
most.

Another thing- to be honest- I really do have a BIG personal problem
with most MLMs- UBB is really the exception - I am sure many of you
have one or two you like too. Many however are highly deceptive and in
the past on this list (and other lists) I find the arguing about these
companies and their products to be very repetitive and uninteresting-
and at this point not something that I want to do at all. Please don't
write to tell me about a MLM that is better/ different/ etc....I am
just not wanting to explore this topic or hear about the companies.

Sig line links are FINE!!! At least then people can find the companies
they are interested in. I really don't like to be so picky, but I feel
it is in the best interest of the group as a whole. What do others
think?


Elizabeth
List Owner

Following the thread/ reminders that we don't allow advertising of your
MLM/ Direct Sales advertising (except a sig line/ link of 3-4 lines
including your name is FINE) I have had a few questions off list
regarding where people *can* go to advertise their WAHM businesses
including their MLM affiliated business.

Keep in mind I am not an expert on this topic. Once I joined a WAHM ad
list and unsubbed after a few days overwhelmed by the amount of
repetitive advertising and the sheer quantity of mail- 99% on stuff
that I don't care for. However, here are some yahoo groups I have found
by searching that you might find helpful. I do not belong to any, nor
am I endorsing any of the following. I hope these links will be
supportive to many of you here who are looking for a group to share
your business opportunity, products, and services with. If you don't
find the niche you are really looking for specifically- you can always
create your own. That's what I did and how Natural Mama Barter came to
be.


WAHM-spam
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/WAHM-spam/

wahmomads · WAHMom Ads
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/wahmomads/

WAHMZine · WAHM Advertising, Networking and More!
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/WAHMZine/

WAHMomsTime
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/WAHMomsTime/

MOPS-WAHM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MOPS-WAHM/

Advertise Your Home Business


WAHM-Ads


AtHomeMomsOnline
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AtHomeMomsOnline/

AtHomeMomsOnline2
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AtHomeMomsOnline2/

Direct-Sales4Women · Women In Business involved with Direct Sales
Companies and those who desire to be
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Direct-Sales4Women/


Love and Blessings!

Elizabeth
Natural Mama Barter- List Mom
http://www.WholeLifeEssentials.com
http://www.WholeLifeCoach.com

I believe Denise/Twiddlebritches attack on Snowflakes honesty and character is in violation of the UA here. I hope someone does something about that. I also think there needs to be some rule about not spamming MLM maybe just a link in a sig line because this is just offensive.

For what it's worth - I've reported her post. These are the reporting guidlines

is is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts

I think continuing to harrass anyone who doesn't like melaeuca on on here and even accuse them of lying qualifies as harrassment/problemating/fighting/rude. Esp when that seems to be the content of most recent posts.

And yes - I know - I don't have to open the posts ;)

Originally posted by Mama2miracles
believe Denise/Twiddlebritches attack on Snowflakes honesty and character is in violation of the UA here. I hope someone does something about that. I also think there needs to be some rule about not spamming MLM maybe just a link in a sig line because this is just offensive.

:ditto:

Oh but your looking for a cure to CF? Um, animal testing has been done in search for this cure. So where do you stand? For or against animal testing, when its convenient for you personally? I mean if they found a cure tomorrow because of a test they did on a rat would you boycot it because it was tested on animals? I bet not!

Wow. What an incredibly bitc*y thing to say!!!! So yes, hon, she IS hoping for a cure....what the heck is your point??? You CAN be against animal testing and FOR a CF cure through other testing means....ever consider that?!? Or perhaps she is ok with medically *needed* animal testing but not otherwise...who knows. Who are you to judge and assume anything without knowing her stance fully???

And pullleeeze! A cure for CF found on a rat is totally different over using cheaper animal testing to test cleaning crap when there are other just as safe means and methods.

Most medical testing today CAN be done, and often is, on skin cells and human harvested samples and such. Not live animals. Perhaps you could inform Mela about that? :thumbsup:

Originally posted by kaje62
Gosh Elly, put your family first. And remember this is not a cult!!

Ok, I finally saw the picture pop up after that statement...yes, that looks like my family...except, I have auburn hair, my husband is mexican, and we have 4 rugrats. Often we run and play soccer with eachother, have picnics and ...nevermind, I'll stop there before I put my foot in my mouth.
Melaleuca is not a cult :rolleyes:

elly you wrote this

Melaleuca has been picked apart here and everywhere for good reason, everyone has their family in their best interest.

and i linked this

http://www.yourfamilyfirst.com/cgi-bin/team.cgi?id=Ad11998&action=show

which basically says if you want to put your family first (health and $) you should join melaleuca

sorry dumb joke

for me a cult is one sided

this is the only way to be happy
make money
have healthy products
stay at home

anyway you are making me work hard as I nak, glad you figured it out

Originally posted by ~Denise~
Wow. What an incredibly bitc*y thing to say!!!! So yes, hon, she IS hoping for a cure....what the heck is your point??? You CAN be against animal testing and FOR a CF cure through other testing means....ever consider that?!? Or perhaps she is ok with medically *needed* animal testing but not otherwise...who knows. Who are you to judge and assume anything without knowing her stance fully???

And pullleeeze! A cure for CF found on a rat is totally different over using cheaper animal testing to test cleaning crap when there are other just as safe means and methods.

Most medical testing today CAN be done, and often is, on skin cells and human harvested samples and such. Not live animals. Perhaps you could inform Mela about that? :thumbsup:


I just made the connection why she mentioned the CF. That is a low blow man and totally absurd. Are people getting this. She is ripping into a mama of a child with a health problem. So curing her child's condition ranks with say testing toiletry products which have been used for decades in similar formulas. Wow. I was feeling a bit guilty before about my cult comment but not anymore. WOW

Originally posted by MamaJosie
I just made the connection why she mentioned the CF. That is a low blow man and totally absurd. Are people getting this. She is ripping into a mama of a child with a health problem. So curing her child's condition ranks with say testing toiletry products which have been used for decades in similar formulas. Wow. I was feeling a bit guilty before about my cult comment but not anymore. WOW

yes-I got it, and I have been fuming over it all day since I saw it.

All I can say is

twiddlebritches, you are a *****
and I hope you can sleep well at night for what you have said here in this thread.

how low can one person be?

Oh but your looking for a cure to CF? Um, animal testing has been done in search for this cure. So where do you stand? For or against animal testing, when its convenient for you personally? I mean if they found a cure tomorrow because of a test they did on a rat would you boycot it because it was tested on animals? I bet not! :eek:

I have seen some foul things on this board, but this is about the worst. I am going to assume the woman who you are quoting has a child with CF? And that child may or may not live into adulthood? and she lives with that each and every day and you just rubbed it in that Momma's face? Maybe you didn't think about it that way? I am hoping you just got caught up in the moment and that you are trying to defend what you love against everyone here, but that is just awful! It seriously brings tears to my eyes for that Momma you said it too. How sad, so sad!

:ditto:

At least you only accused me of lying. :rolleyes:

If I had a child with CF right now I'd be livid and so hurt... that was not a very kind comment. :mad:

Ya know, I actually did like some of Mela's products but when I and others are attacked in thread after thread like this you'd better believe I won't support them - and I'll continue to answer when asked for my opinion of the company AND their reps.

You really crossed a line and that is one of the most insensitive things I've ever seen on this board... :drop: :tear:

Originally posted by chococat
:eek:

I have seen some foul things on this board, but this is about the worst. :ditto:

<Animal Testing: true but again I got in quite a tiff with some reps over this and all anyone has to do is contact PETA for the Copies of Original letters from the president/party involved that basically blew this into public light/knowledge>

1. the detergent by the "other" company was their competition. They had someone "neutral" test it on animals--

2. The Heart vitamins... were and currently are tested on dogs and who knows what other type of animal. The president claims it is for "Human Kind" but I seriously doubt that because the FDA does not even REQUIRE testing of these products.

3. PETA did have them on their list for a while, they were taken off and then added on again after signing a statement that basically said they would not test on animals. Then later that year the "dogs had to be put to sleep" with testing on the heart vitamins...supplements... BTW...there is a rumor among the "Mela" reps that the "the animal testing is just dog shampoo" this is just one test... the death of the dogs is a completely different occurance.

4. PETA finally got tired of Mela's back and forth policy and that is when the Pres. made the official statement about their policy on animal testing. something to the effect of (I am not quoting here okay) ----we do not support animal testing or cruelty to animals in any way, all of our "_____" products (these are the natural mela products don't know the exact names) are not tested on animals. But I can not say I will never test on animals if we can bring something to the public that will be beneficial to "mankind"----aka their new heart supplement. BTW...This heart supplement is not required by law to be tested on animals, Mela chooses to test on animals for the "research stats" to back up their "claims".

I am sorry you feel so attacked. Actually I am sorry so many mela reps feel so attacked. I am not quite sure why they do?

BTW: Moms Team here in California had a lawsuit brought against them... not sure of the outcome but I recall it not being positive.. it destroyed a lot of families and many of whom did not even know they were in a "Pyramid".

I do think Mela gets away with a lot because of it's different "Rep groups" because after all it is they who make the claims and if they catch them or any legal stuff is associated with mela it just gets shoved on to the little guy the "rep Team" like Moms Team You do notice that there are fewer ads with that particular group online now don't you???

Anyway, Twiddlebritches, I give you a great big HUGGGGG:big hug: because I know you need it and I do believe doubleblessed is also rep with Mela if I am not mistaken I hope everyone is BLESSED by their families and I am sure you were "in the heat of the moment" when you made that hurtful comment and you were trying to make a point about hypocrisy which is a good point but sometimes as I am doing now;) we talk without thinking and start defending ourselves against accusations that are real or unreal.

Goodnight everyone...Lots of Love and may this thread DIE.

P.S. on another board... We do have a thread called MLM's/NetworkMarketing -- under is a Mela thread all its own just so people can go get the information positive and negative and make their own decision. That might be a good idea because this does come up every now and then on this board. It would be nice to say go to llllllll and click on xxxxxx to find out more.

:heart:

really representin' the old Mela cause there!


Oh but your looking for a cure to CF? Um, animal testing has been done in search for this cure. So where do you stand? For or against animal testing, when its convenient for you personally? I mean if they found a cure tomorrow because of a test they did on a rat would you boycot it because it was tested on animals? I bet not!



Way to drum up business!

Let's see, attack woman with child suffering from life threatening disease with petty nonsense -- CHECK!

Equate product testing with medical research in a lame attempt to obscure fact -- CHECK!

How about a REALITY CHECK?!

Is shampoo and dish liquid really worth such a rude-a** stink?

With this kind of rabid intensity shown anytime anyone says a word against the blessed Mela Corp. (ALL HAIL THE HOLY MELA-OIL) do you really wonder why they and their reps get such a bad rep?

Originally posted by chococat
:eek:

I have seen some foul things on this board, but this is about the worst.

:ditto:

You know, I was just talking to dh about this. He said he has been very surprised since starting for Wells Fargo about how many phone calls he gets from people needing help on their account because of Melaleuca making UN-authorized charges to their checking accounts

:mad:

Now wait, Jessica, that isn't possible... it's only ME that had that problem. Or wait, no I didn't... that's right, I must be making it up. :p

(I know this post isn't productive, sorry... not helping, am I?)

Any chance the mods want to trash this thread yet? I think we've all violated the UA multiple times here. ;)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
QUOTE] The ladies from Amitys really invaded the poor family's life


Forgive me, I didn't take the time to read the gazillion pages on this. All I needed was to read THIS POST and my blood started boiling. Denise - how the heck can YOU EVEN TALK ABOUT PEOPLE INVADING PEOPLE'S LIVES WITH EMOTIONAL BLASTS WHEN YOU DID THE CRAP YOU DID TO ME??? You probably don't even remember, but I promise you I will never forget when I signed up to join Melaleuca, and then subsequently changed my mind because I found out my brother was dieing of cancer and I did not have the emotional stability to deal with it. Remember I KINDLY asked you to leave me be, and then your dh called me trying to convince me that melaleuca products could save my brother. Talk about the ultimate guilt trip. Just so you know Denise - I was at my all time lowest of my life. I remember the evening clearly - as a matter of fact I was sitting in a ball on my floor trying to not cry aloud and disturb my kids with my crying and your dh called - acted like he cared - (which is odd btw - why would I want comfort from someone else's dh? I have my own dh who comforts me quite well thank you) - and then PUSHED the fact that mela has products that could save him. DO YOU NOT THINK THAT WAS NOT INVADING MY FAMILY LIFE WHEN I WAS AT MY WEAKEST? Is that common practice, or is that just your bull**** Denise? I finally had to warn you with seeking legal action in order to get you to leave me alone. At the time, I took it up with mods here (although none of this took place here so their hands were tied) JUST to make sure if you pulled this crap again someone KNEW it had happened.

Just for the record - not that you care or anything - he did die. It was awful, terrible. I can't imagine the kind of selling you and your dh would have tried to do to get me to buy more and more crap when you knew I had financial issues in the first place. It's because of YOU that my stomach crawls everytime I see the name Melaleuca. :vent:

:eek: :eyes: :shake:

I'm so sorry about your brother Delpha. :sadhug:

Mela threads always make me cry. Because of what Denise and her husband did to me, I even hear about mela and it takes me back to a very very bad time in my life. It always brings it all back. I really think I'm going to puke. Thank you for your concern.

Oh my goodness.Im so,so sorry Mama.

I am so sorry Delpha. This is horrible, horrible. I hope you are doing well over the holidays.

Wendi, I really hope you don't take the comments to heart. They were truley heartless and uncalled for. This was pure ignorance talking. She must have some major problems in her life that would allow herself to step down to this level.

Do they have a melaluca meeting that teaches this cruelty. Even if they didn't test on animals, the "testing" they do on humans is bad enough!

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches


<If they do ANY type of animal testing - then I won't buy from them! By saying they don't "promote" animal testing or cruelty is just a cop out.>

Oh but your looking for a cure to CF? Um, animal testing has been done in search for this cure. So where do you stand? For or against animal testing, when its convenient for you personally? I mean if they found a cure tomorrow because of a test they did on a rat would you boycot it because it was tested on animals? I bet not!

Hypocrisy!

If Melaleuca or any other company for that matter thinks they have a cure for cancer do you think they will test it on rats. Of course, and so would you because LEGALLY certain tests can not be preformed on humans. I mean how many of you have had an ultrasound? Hmmm, animal testing there, and lots of it and not just on rats but on Monkeys. I mean serious Hypocrisy here. Oh yeah but thats different right? :rolleyes:


that was so f*cking low! low low low low lowest of the f*cking low.

but hell, all is good if you use mela right? :thumbsup:

(to those that my swear words offended i am sorry but believe me, there are worse things i wanted to say but i am holding back)

I am SO glad I quit Mela. I never would have started had I known that, Delpha. I am so sorry. :wah:

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
<I feel that if a company is highly ethical as they claim, they better know who is representing them and what they are saying/claiming about the company and the product...>

As I said they are global and can not baby sit everyone, its common sense, the policies are in place and they do take action when they get wind of unethical practices. I mean no matter what company you are working for their are alwasys some employees going against policy etc..
So does any one know if 'that Karen' still represents the company?... of the other guy that says he saw the funeral program and then changed his mind.

Oh yes, Kevin Vincent is still w/ Melaleuca. I'm on his Wellness Weekly mailing list and get emails every week from him.

Originally posted by jessica_momof6
yes-I got it, and I have been fuming over it all day since I saw it.

All I can say is

twiddlebritches, you are a *****
and I hope you can sleep well at night for what you have said here in this thread.

how low can one person be?

Now let's understand that it's the Mel brainwashing talking and not her...now maybe when she's been deprogrammed she will see the error of her ways, comments, and thoughts (if she keeps reading this thread it will eventually happen).

I also want to say that I sell MK (basically to myself it seems)...and it bites that I was recruited in order to make someone else money. :rolleyes: But I really like this stuff and thought I could share it with others...others would want to try it, etc. I know now that I am not a salesperson...I cannot push things on to people...I am not doing the party thing (yuck). Eh...I guess I am a prostitute for some white guy/gal...argh! Live & Learn I guess. However, I will not defend some corporation until my last breath. I can see the writing on the wall...could see that before I decided to sell MK. Some people will like it and others don't want to be bothered with it. I am not going to sit here and go on and on, beat a dead horse saying this thing or that thing is great at MK. I like a few things...not everything. I HATE the way I am being pressured into taking all of these "classes" in order to sell MORE MK. I don't have time for that! Plus I am not going to go and learn "pressure" tactics...that's crap! If someone wants it...they can contact me. I'm not going to stalk people. I knew this going in...kwim? I KNEW I wasn't going to do high pressure sales and recruiting.

My point (there might be one yet)...you don't have to believe all of the hype. Yea...so something is great in your opinion...so? Does that mean you have to jam it down others' throats? Does it mean you have to attack someone else's character or intentions just to make your point? It's time to look at yourself and whether the company is really worth it if that's the case. Don't surrender yourself to a company...selling yourself to the devil in order to make a buck isn't worth it in the end.

Disclaimer: I am being smart here...not hateful.

Originally posted by ~Heidi~
Now let's understand that it's the Mel brainwashing talking and not her...now maybe when she's been deprogrammed she will see the error of her ways, comments, and thoughts (if she keeps reading this thread it will eventually happen).

I also want to say that I sell MK (basically to myself it seems)...and it bites that I was recruited in order to make someone else money. :rolleyes: But I really like this stuff and thought I could share it with others...others would want to try it, etc. I know now that I am not a salesperson...I cannot push things on to people...I am not doing the party thing (yuck). Eh...I guess I am a prostitute for some white guy/gal...argh! Live & Learn I guess. However, I will not defend some corporation until my last breath. I can see the writing on the wall...could see that before I decided to sell MK. Some people will like it and others don't want to be bothered with it. I am not going to sit here and go on and on, beat a dead horse saying this thing or that thing is great at MK. I like a few things...not everything. I HATE the way I am being pressured into taking all of these "classes" in order to sell MORE MK. I don't have time for that! Plus I am not going to go and learn "pressure" tactics...that's crap! If someone wants it...they can contact me. I'm not going to stalk people. I knew this going in...kwim? I KNEW I wasn't going to do high pressure sales and recruiting.

My point (there might be one yet)...you don't have to believe all of the hype. Yea...so something is great in your opinion...so? Does that mean you have to jam it down others' throats? Does it mean you have to attack someone else's character or intentions just to make your point? It's time to look at yourself and whether the company is really worth it if that's the case. Don't surrender yourself to a company...selling yourself to the devil in order to make a buck isn't worth it in the end.

Disclaimer: I am being smart here...not hateful.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by TwiddleBritches
Oh but your looking for a cure to CF? Um, animal testing has been done in search for this cure. So where do you stand? For or against animal testing, when its convenient for you personally? I mean if they found a cure tomorrow because of a test they did on a rat would you boycot it because it was tested on animals? I bet not!

Hypocrisy!




wow, if the previous posts didnt have me convinced i would never use mela, this certainly did. does mela look for people with such snotty attitudes to represent them or do they teach the attitude in a seminar?

Originally posted by branwyn
wow, if the previous posts didnt have me convinced i would never use mela, this certainly did. does mela look for people with such snotty attitudes to represent them or do they teach the attitude in a seminar?

:hahaha:

;pot:

I think they attract snots!

Anyway Heidi I hope i did not offend you. If you read earlier, I see MK far different than Melaucea (since I can't spell it ever, I think we need a new word) I need help though. Not good at this stuff.

We could brain storm.

What words come to mind when you hear the word Maleucea?

for me

lie
cheat
money
manipulate
cult
brainwashed
un-ethical
un-natural

Heidi, you've hit the nail on the head. It's entirely possible to work for a MLM or other company, and like their products, and not be a brainwashed loser scumbag.

I loved MK until I found out they fund foreskin testing; and when I was still using their products, my MK lady could be a bit pushy, but NOTHING near the same level as the Mela reps. Also, I've never met a MK rep, or Avon, Tupperware, etc, who used scare tactics to get you to buy; or who think that their companies are GOD.

Acutally, I went to my local Arbonne rep today, met her for the first time ever; and she was the opposite of pushy, she was so cool! I just wanted samples to try the stuff out, and she made me little sample size jars of everything :) She never once said that other make-up companies were dangerous and evil.

Personally, I like alot of products that come from MLM companies (I loved MK, I like some Avon, some Tastefully Simple, Usborne books, and now maybe Arbonne). And in all my product buying, I've never encounterd a company and reps as disgusting as Mela.

Kristi

I have seen some foul things on this board, but this is about the worst.

I completely agree. That is just disgusting. Then to read about harassing a woman dealing with a family member with cancer. My thoughts go out to you. Not only that you had been through such a rough time but then had someone knowingly making it worse.

I think we've all done things in the heat of the moment. It takes a certain kind of person to stoop that low in the heat of the moment.

Denise (TwidleBritches) hasn't posted since yesterday morning...wonder why...(where is the head-scratching icon?)

Perhaps enjoying a slice of humble pie?
Or, is it roasted crow?:rolleyes: