I received a story yesterday, of a sweet little boy who is almost two that loved blues clues and trucks... he grabbed some resolve his mother sat on the floor and she turned her back for a minute and sprayed some in his mouth. He died 18 hours later. Not sure of the details of his death, but please mamas keep your kids safe. There are so many other, safer alternatives out there and be VERY careful using ANY cleaners around your children!

This hits so close to home, the little boy decribed is my sons age, he loves the same things my son does (blues clues,trucks). My son will turn 2 in one month, 1 year ago, Resolve carpet cleaner was very widley used here as I have light carpet and it's constantly getting stained. I am so VERY thankful to have safer products in my home, and to know that my son is safe. I can't count the number of times he's grabbed a cleaner sitting right next to me and sprayed it before I could grab it back. I don't ever want this to happen to anyone! I hear so many stories and EVERY single one I've ever read the mom thought "that will never happen to me" but it does happen and can happen to anyone and not just with resolve, I've heard stories of kids dying from cascade, hair conditioner, liquid dish soap, and it doesn't take large amounts, just a spray or a fingerful can do so much harm and even cause death! Please protect your families in any way you can, find a way to get the toxic products out of your home, find healthier, safer alternatives! There are so many other, safer alternatives out there, I just want you to use which ever one best suits your lifestyle. You have the power to educate others, you can save a life. This was me a year ago, I wish someone would have opened my eyes sooner and I am so very thankful that this didn't happen to me. Hug your little ones, and keep this family in your thoughts.

**EDITED TO CLARIFY THAT I DID NOT SAY ANY OF THE THINGS YOU SEE QUOTED IN THIS THREAD! THEY WERE FROM AN EMAIL I RECEIVED WITH THE STORY IN IT!**

Wow....

I need to stop reading your posts, I guess since I thought this was an actual post, not spam type of stuff.

I know business is supposedly great, but I do wonder if it would be even better if the guilt factor wasn't used...or maybe it would be worse and that's been proven...

Anyway, I didn't realize when clicking on this post that it was a creative title to get people to come read about your business.

I hope that mom who lost her child does not know that she is being used as a bad example as to why to use your products. :rolleyes: But hey, if she'd used those products, she would have been a good mom and her life would be perfect, right? Heck, if those products will make my life perfect, sign me up! :rolleyes: (This is sarcasm, I am not interested in the company at all and posts like this turn me off of it even more.)

I like you as a person, but I hate these techniques.

you can also use real soap (ivory works great) and water to wash up most stains for carpet.

Like I said in my post, you can use any products you want, I just want people to use safer products. If not ours then someone elses. Seriously I want to help people, not guilt people. Some people honestly do not understand or think that this can happen to them, but IT CAN! And if sharing this story saves even ONE life then it is very worth sharing. I don't care if mamas start using vinegar, water and baking soda to clean, I just want them to get the chemicals and toxins out of their home so that this doesn't happen to anyone else. If someone can't afford to use our products, I would help them find something they could, there are ways to make your own but some people don't have the time or energy to do that, so that is where we come in. I would have never made my own, and I would never have paid health food store prices.... so thank GOODNESS I found this company and the products, or my child might not be here right now, He's a little houdini that can get into ANYTHING and seems to know how to get into ANYWHERE so I have no doubt he would have found a way to my cleaners.

~Jess

you can also use real soap (ivory works great) and water to wash up most stains for carpet.

Thanks for the awesome tip Danica! I hope some people throw out their resolve and use ivory instead!!!

~Jess

Originally posted by littlemamajess
Thanks for the awesome tip Danica! I hope some people throw out their resolve and use ivory instead!!!

~Jess

i hope so too :). ftr, anything you read about that you can use wahm soap to do will also apply to ivory soap.

Originally posted by JCCMama
I hope that mom who lost her child does not know that she is being used as a bad example as to why to use your products.

fortunately i don't think that is a risk. i am pinned down on my rocking chair with two grumpy teething babies so i just did several news searches for information on this tragedy. there is no record that i can find.

I'm sorry but I have to agree with Cindy. This just sounds like a big ad.

This post is offensive to me in so many ways.......oh well, don't want to waste my time getting angry.....moving on.


Kristi

You may post what you want about the dangers of toxic products, but please label your posts :spam: when you are marketing to us.

Originally posted by norasmama
You may post what you want about the dangers of toxic products, but please label your posts :spam: when you are marketing to us.

:ditto:

Meleluca spam AGAIN??? :rolleyes:

Weve been on a roll here at Amity's...

Tara

Originally posted by 3rdtimemomma
Meleluca spam AGAIN??? :rolleyes:

Weve been on a roll here at Amity's...

Tara

Tara - I have got to tell you, that picture in your sig makes me smile every time I see it. You and your babe are just beautiful!!!

it reads like a REALLY bad late night infomercial. complete with exaggerated stories that NEVER happened......

.....plus if she really wanted to be a good mom and avoid those hedious products she should not have allowed her kids to drink colored sugar water AKA Kool-Aide.:p and then she would have never had a emss to clean up in the first place

Awww, JCCMama thankyou!!!!

Tara
:heart:

Edited the main post for clarity. That is not MY story, I received it from a friend of mine online today. SHE added the spamish stuff, those were her words. Let me see if I can edit out the stuff about our company, that was really not my intent. I just copy/pasted her email, I guess it didn't hit me how spamish HER email was.

Originally posted by JCCMama
Wow....

I need to stop reading your posts, I guess since I thought this was an actual post, not spam type of stuff.

I know business is supposedly great, but I do wonder if it would be even better if the guilt factor wasn't used...or maybe it would be worse and that's been proven...

Anyway, I didn't realize when clicking on this post that it was a creative title to get people to come read about your business.

I hope that mom who lost her child does not know that she is being used as a bad example as to why to use your products. :rolleyes: But hey, if she'd used those products, she would have been a good mom and her life would be perfect, right? Heck, if those products will make my life perfect, sign me up! :rolleyes: (This is sarcasm, I am not interested in the company at all and posts like this turn me off of it even more.)

I like you as a person, but I hate these techniques. :ditto:

Originally posted by littlemamajess
Edited the main post for clarity. That is not MY story, I received it from a friend of mine online today. SHE added the spamish stuff, those were her words. Let me see if I can edit out the stuff about our company, that was really not my intent. I just copy/pasted her email, I guess it didn't hit me how spamish HER email was.


Claiming ignorance and blaming something on someone else is no excuse.
Besides the fact that if someone is truly on "life support" they wouldn't need to be "sedated" or even be able to "open their eyes".:rolleyes:

Jess is this really a true story? I think it is disgusting? I could not find a link online and it is so using emotion to sell. Is it malelucha you sell? I love malelucha products and buy them but I can't stand this tactic.

I personally would like to see a link to a story or obit since

This is real, people! I held this child in my arms when he was born, I was at his baptism and his birthdays….now he is gone.

If not, maybe this post needs to be deleted and/or spam added to the title.

Originally posted by Rainedazze
I peronsally would like to see a link to a story or obit since

If not, maybe this post needs to be deleted and/or spam added to the title.


Me too. Especially due to the emotional aspect of the post.

I knew it was spam by the title and the poster, I had to open it to see if I was just being an ass and pre-judging. I was right though. Their tactics are horrible. I agree. That is one of the reasons I have no respect for this company whatsoever. I want to like you littlemamajess, but I can't believe you didn't post this purely for the spam aspect.

Besides the fact that if someone is truly on "life support" they wouldn't need to be "sedated" or even be able to "open their eyes".
That isn't true, peole on life support are sedated all the time and open their eyes.

It sounds an awful lot like the Swiffer Wet Jet story that's an urban legend. I checked snopes for this particular story, but it's not there.

Steph

i searched the pittsburg papers and local news sites but cant find anything about it. one would think, that if it were true, it would be all over the news :confused: if its true its such an awful thing to happen.
if its not true - its horrible than anyone would send this to you jess!

I personally don't think Jess would post this for the SPAM aspect of it. She's not like that!

And if the person who sent this to her & knew it wasn't true, then shame on them!

It's such a sad story. I'd really hate for it to be true!

Here's the MSDS info on Resolve Carpet Cleaner. As far as I can tell, this stuff may burn the skin and or esophagus, but one squirt in the mouth would not cause convulsions and death within 18 hours. If anyone has proof to the contrary, please correct me.
http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands&id=18001081
http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~jsmith/MSDS/RESOLVE%20CARPET%20CLEANER.htm

Not picking on you Jess, but this is how urban legends get started.

My heart is breaking for this family. My thoughts go out to them today as they do probally the hardest thing any mother ever has to do. Off to hug my little man right now and be thankful that he is healthy and safe. I will post any more info I receive about articles, obituaries, ect. Until then please keep this family in your thoughts/prayers, I'm sure they could use them right now.

~Jess

Originally posted by blazfglori
Besides the fact that if someone is truly on "life support" they wouldn't need to be "sedated" or even be able to "open their eyes".:

This is untrue...
When my Mom was in the Hospital, in ICU, on *life support* she was sedated to prevent her from pulling her tubes out and to let the machines do the breathing for her. If she was awake she would fight against the life support machine. When the medication was decreased she could, and did, open her eyes.

Originally posted by littlemamajess




This is real, people! I held this child in my arms when he was born, I was at his baptism and his birthdays….now he is gone. And there is no excuse! These products from store shelves are dangerous! His mother now has to deal with the guilt for the rest of her life. As I had mentioned, I did share this with her. She knew there were safer alternatives. She knew. Her excuse…it’s that “Amway thing”, my cousin is “in that”, I know all about it and I’m just not interested. She knew. She thought, never in a million years will that happen to me, I’m careful. The guilt and pain have to be unbearable. She has to pick out a casket for her son. A tiny, child size casket. She will bury her son on Monday. She will never see her son start Kindergarten, graduate high school and college, she will never see him get married or have grandchildren for her to dote over. She is going to have to deal with stress in her marriage. And his younger sister will never see him again. (She is four, almost five months old)


This could have been prevented. If she had only listened, and not had the “it’ll never happen to me” mentality. It did happen. And it could happen to anyone at anytime. It is up to us as adults to provide the safest environment we can for ourselves and our children and even our pets. Several thousand children are poisoned every year!! What are the odds it could be your child, or someone you know? How long can you outrun the odds? Don’t take a chance – these are children’s lives we are talking about.



Gee, I hope his mother never sees these words. :( This is terrible spam IMO.

That's sad that someone would use that horrible tradgedy to sell they're stuff. :( Yuck.



Also...Baking soda and Vinegar works really well for cleaning just about anything. Including carpet. I just used it the other day actually. Just sprinkle baking soda on the stain then pour (or spray) some vinegar on it. Let it fiz up and set for a moment then soak up the baking soda/vinegar/stain witha towel. You can get a huge jug of vinegar for under $3 and a decent sized box of baking soda for even less. And no marketing schemes! :thumbsup:

*cough cough* *buillshi-t* *cough cough* *bullshi-t* *cough cough*

This could have been prevented. If she had only listened, and not had the “it’ll never happen to me” mentality. It did happen. And it could happen to anyone at anytime. It is up to us as adults to provide the safest environment we can for ourselves and our children and even our pets. Several thousand children are poisoned every year!! What are the odds it could be your child, or someone you know? How long can you outrun the odds? Don’t take a chance – these are children’s lives we are talking about.




OMG!!!! If anyone wrote that about my child & I before they were even buried I would be major P*SSED! I will not be returning to this thread. I used to be curious about the products but now I've decided to never do any kinda business with them.

Jess I truly believe you meant well and you were thinking you are so glad you use natural products but the because of the timing of your post it is so gut wrenching emotional that it feels phony, fake and invasive.

Maybe if you wrote a few weeks from now a short sentence about how you heard yet one more child got sick or died from over the counter products, as another SAHM got cancer from cleaning products as they have done studies linking SAHM to more cancer, this is an old stufy and EASY OFF oven products etc..may be the culprit. Anyway timing wise this post comes off very yucky. Maybe you don't see it cuz you are wrapped in the emotion since your friend knows this boy. Anyway I do think the thread should be deleted because it is not only invasive to the mother, it is invasive to us opening this thread. Thanks KJPOriginally posted by littlemamajess
This was written to Karen:

Karen I have people with questions about this testimony. Do you have an article or town where and when this happened to share with my doubters?

Reply:

I don’t know if anything has been published yet, as this just happened. I don’t know if she and her husband have chosen to have his obituary published or not. She can’t even look anyone in the eye she is so guilt ridden and the pain is so fresh right now. This family is so torn a part right now it isn’t funny. I know they really just want privacy right now, but she has given me permission to tell the story. I am attending the funeral later this morning and I will have the program, etc. If anyone has any questions, you can direct them to me for now. My phone number is (XXX) XXX-XXXX and my e-mail is kujcich@iglide.net


Thanks. Let me know if I can help in any way. And, please, when you forward Dylan’s story, please keep my contact info with the e-mail so that this does not become an “urban legend”.


~Karen
__________________________________________

My heart is breaking for this family. My thoughts go out to them today as they do probally the hardest thing any mother ever has to do. Off to hug my little man right now and be thankful that he is healthy and safe. From the sound of it it was not just one squirt, but several that he swallowed, and since he is so little, It most likely went down fast and ate away at everything in it's path on the way down and through his system. I will post any more info I receive about articles, obituaries, ect. Until then please keep this family in your thoughts/prayers, I'm sure they could use them right now.

~Jess

Gee, I hope his mother never sees these words.

:ditto:

Whether the story is true or not, this is extremely distasteful, to say the least.

Tara

Edited to add that I don't think anyone wants their phone number posted on a public internet board...but I could be mistaken.

This could have been prevented. If she had only listened, and not had the “it’ll never happen to me” mentality. It did happen. And it could happen to anyone at anytime. It is up to us as adults to provide the safest environment we can for ourselves and our children and even our pets. Several thousand children are poisoned every year!! What are the odds it could be your child, or someone you know? How long can you outrun the odds? Don’t take a chance – these are children’s lives we are talking about.

After reading Brianna's post, we crossposted. I changed my thoughts. Jess it does not seem you and Karen really care about the mother when these words are written or posted. I think it is crazy and Karen is going to the funeral. I am so offended by this and I am not the mom.

I'm not one to get offended by things posted on an Internet message board (well, at least not too easily, lol), but this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I can't see this being true. If something happened to any of my good friends' children, the LAST thing I'd be doing is telling my "business network" about it to help them sell more products and BLAMING my grieving friend for not buying said products. Especially before the funeral even happened. Either this woman is lying, or she's no friend to the mother in question. And I doubt she included her number and Melaleuca e-mail in hopes of squelching an urban legend. Anyone who actually calls that number is in for a high-pressure "your kid will die if you don't use our products" sales pitch, no doubt.

I really hope I'm wrong.

Originally posted by kaje62
Jess it does not seem you and Karen really care about the mother when these words are written or posted. I think it is crazy and Karen is going to the funeral. I am so offended by this and I am not the mom.

:ditto:

Jess, I cannot believe you would even post this. Like everyone else has said, it disgusts me that you would use this woman's tragedy to promote your business. I truly hope that this lady never ever sees this e-mail that you and Karen are spreading about. I would be so hurt and offended if I were in her shoes. Shame on you for even posting this message to try to promote your own personal business.

Originally posted by littlemamajess
I don’t know if anything has been published yet, as this just happened. I don’t know if she and her husband have chosen to have his obituary published or not. She can’t even look anyone in the eye she is so guilt ridden and the pain is so fresh right now. This family is so torn a part right now it isn’t funny. I know they really just want privacy right now, but she has given me permission to tell the story.

i'm not buying this story.

the friend would either be willing to let the story be known or not. to say she will only let the story be known to further the casue of your company and its effort to save the world...nope.

this is t-a-c-k-y.

Karen asked for her info to be posted with the story so I am just doing as she wishes. It is her business info and is posted on her business website so I don't think she would care. If the powers that be decide to delete it they can do so.

If I delete the post it wouldn't do any good anyhow as you all hav copied and pasted a lot of it into the replies so there is no point. If it offends you stop comming back.

If this post makes ONE person think twice before setting down a cleaner on the floor, if it makes ONE person not grab the chemicals in the store, if it saves even ONE life I think it was worth it, but I hate how many of you I've made upset. I am a very peaceful mama, I don't like upset. This post made my heart ache and I didn't want it to happen to anyone else, that is why I posted. I will try and edit out all contriversal parts of the tread but since most of them are in the replies everyone will still see them and have already read them.

I don't care if anyone joins our company, there are tons of options out there, I just hope EVERYONE thinks twice about having these kind of products in their home.

So I felt compelled to share this story with you. NOT for the marketing standpoint, but for how much my heart ached when I read it, for how badly I don't want this to happen to any of you mamas. I can delete my main post, but most of the content is still here in all your replies so I just don't see any point. This was ME one year ago! Happy and content in my little "It won't ever happen to me" world. I'm glad I snapped out of it and realized that it COULD happen to me and that there was something I could do about it.

~Jess

I don't believe it, but that's just me.

you know what...nevahmind. i'm taking care of this right now.

i'll update asap.

So I felt compelled to share this story with you. NOT for the marketing standpoint, but for how much my heart ached when I read it, for how badly I don't want this to happen to any of you mamas. I can delete my main post, but most of the content is still here in all your replies so I just don't see any point. This was ME one year ago! Happy and content in my little "It won't ever happen to me" world. I'm glad I snapped out of it and realized that it COULD happen to me and that there was something I could do about it.

~Jess [/B]

You felt compelled to share the story? Then why not postsomething like:

A mother lost her son because she had a cleaner on the floor. Mama's please be careful while cleaning up as your little ones could get ahold of XXX cleaner and the same thing happen.

Instead we get:

This could have been prevented. If she had only listened, and not had the “it’ll never happen to me” mentality. It did happen. And it could happen to anyone at anytime. It is up to us as adults to provide the safest environment we can for ourselves and our children and even our pets. Several thousand children are poisoned every year!! What are the odds it could be your child, or someone you know? How long can you outrun the odds? Don’t take a chance – these are children’s lives we are talking about.

I am tempted to call your friend and tell her how truely sorry I think she is for trying to take a "friends" tragedy and use it for marketing purposes. What person in their right mind is thinking about business when something like that happens????

I think you should delete all of it. I can't believe you READ the entire email and posted it not thinking about this mothers feelings or what the people on this board might think.

Oh wait, I can.. because I doubt this is true at all. I know ONE person that did benifit from this story, that is me. Thanks to this post I know I will NEVER buy Melaleuca products if this is the sales tactics they use to deliver their product.

.I am tempted to call your friend and tell her how truely sorry I think she is for trying to take a "friends" tragedy and use it for marketing purposes. What person in their right mind is thinking about business when something like that happens????


Oh Toni...let's do a three way call. I would love to give her a piece of my mind. Oh wait..she won't be there she is bring a potroast over to the grieving family...no she is at kinko's making copies of product information so she can put flyers on the cars at the funeral.

Sorry but I see no difference in that idea than what has been done.

By the way I buy Malelucha from my2girlz on Amity and she does not use these tactics.

Originally posted by littlemamajess
If this post makes ONE person think twice before setting down a cleaner on the floor

Okay. This I'll buy. The blame lies not with Resolve but with the fact that carpet cleaner was left where it could be drunk by a child. Simple fact.

I think it that was the point you were trying to make, then you could've edited Karen's letter and said that you edited it to remove the promotional stuff since you were trying only to illustrate a tragedy.

Why doesn't Melaleuca sell on store shelves if they're so devoted to protecting us? What about all the people who never meet Melaleuca salespeople?

~amey

No matter whether the story is true or not, or this was posted as a way to SPAM a company, I don't think it's fair to judge the company based on how one or two distributors act. It's the same as Mary Kay, Avon, Tupperware, Pampered Chef, etc. There are always going to be independent representatives who do things you disagree with, but to boycott the company doesn't seem like the best thing to do. If anything, let the company know what the representatives are doing and make them aware of what you disagree with.

ETA: I do not sell and have never used Melaleuca products :)

I was just going to post something to that fact. If you were at Whole Foods looking at Natural Bug Spray, if the clerk said something offensive. That person has a boss. I truly do not believe that the marketing department of Malelucha would like this tactic. It is a bunch of people that have no boss running around saying and doing with no accountability. It is the same as religion etc. You cannot judge a church on one person's behaviour.

You felt compelled to share the story? Then why not postsomething like:

Toni you always have a way of putting things in language I can understand. Thank You. I reworded my post now to what I wish I woudl have orginally posted, but wish I could delete all the replies which contain most of the original post.

Again mamas I am very very sorry. I truly was just very shaken up by reading it and wanted to share it with you all. It just hit so very close to home with me and I still tear up every time I think about it.

I didn't think about how it might make others feel and I am very sorry for that. My true intention was to open peoples eyes to the dangers as I wish someone would have done for me. I would have never thought the dish soap next to my sink could kill my child, that is not something I would have thought to lock up, or the hair conditioner in my shower on the shelf. Some people honestly don't know these things could hurt or kill their children.

Going back to lurkdom where I belong.

~Jess

This is such :spam: I live in the Pittsburgh area and have not seen or heard anything about this on the news. We see these stories and this is not one that would be kept silent. The media does not respect families wishes and they WOULD have aired this story if it was true!!

Again I just want to clarify that *I* did not post this as a marketing tactic. I love the company I work for and I love what I do but I would never say anyone has to use our products or they are bad, horrible evil people. Even my very first, orginal post said if not our products, then use other safer, healthier alternatives. There are so many out there, ours are just a fraction of them!

I am very sorry again. I should never have posted.

All :spam: aside (because I'm not even going to take the time to process the message), of course we should keep our cleaners up off the floor! Accidents happen, but I would hazard a guess that most people don't leave their cleaning supplies out on the floor for a little one to get.

i just got off the phone with susan, a patient representative at children's hospital in pittsburgh. she was quite interested to hear this story.

she is passing along the post, along with karen's contact information, to the legal department.

Also if this turns out to be an untrue story I will personally call and report Karen. What an awful thing to do if this is truly made up, but I honestly beleive it is not or I would never have posted it. 100's of children die every year from poisioning and not every single one has a news article on them I'm sure.

~Jess

Originally posted by littlemamajess
Also if this turns out to be an untrue story I will personally call Melaleuca and report Karen. What an awful thing to do if this is truly made up, but I honestly beleive it is not or I would never have posted it. 1000's of children die every year from poisioning and not every single one has a news article on them I'm sure.

~Jess

i want to add that i think you are a super sweet and caring mama, jess. i do not for one minute think you realized this was likely a hoax. but "karen" did and i'm glad you are going to turn her in.

i want to add that i think you are a super sweet and caring mama, jess. i do not for one minute think you realized this was likely a hoax. but "karen" did and i'm glad you are going to turn her in.

Thanks Danica. I'm sitting here feeling like the most awful person on earth right now.

:(

Glad you will report her if you find this is untrue. I plan on reporting her anyway b/c I think it's an extremely rude thing that she did, if this story is even true, you should never try to benifit off of someone else's tragedy.:mad:

Originally posted by littlemamajess
Thanks Danica. I'm sitting here feeling like the most awful person on earth right now.

:(

i hope you don't feel too bad. the good news is this likely never happened and karen may not post such garbage in the future.

i hope no one thinks any less of you for this.

I also did not want to hurt you, Jess, but I do get sick of untrue stories about cleaners all over the internet. I keep getting the Swiffer Wet Jet emails, and those are untrue as well. This is not at all an isolated incident. I do not use toxic cleaners in my home whenever possible, and I understand the dangers of some cleaners. I have done a bunch of searches on Resolve today, and I have not found any incidents of the cleaner harming ANYONE.

**shaking my head**

Kevin Vincent from the GHB team of Mela is also spreading this, so that may be of interest to you as well, Jess. He's higher up, if I recall correctly.

We watch the Pittsburgh news almost every day... get the Pittsburgh papers... and I haven't seen/heard/read anything yet... doesn't mean it's not true, but it does make one wonder.

Not to cause problems, but mamas please do you research about ANY company's products, even if they claim to be all natural...

I'm looking at a bottle of Koala Pals body wash and it contains...

* PEG-80 Sorbitan Laurate
http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep/chemhealtheffect.php?chem_id=4080
This chemical is not known to be safe, and is possibly linked with breast cancer and other health problems

* Cocamidopropyl Betaine
http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep/chemhealtheffect.php?chem_id=3513
Also can contain harmful impurities

* PEG-150 Distearate
http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep/chemhealtheffect.php?chem_id=3960
Also can contain harmful impurities, allergens, etc

* Tetrasodium EDTA
http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep/chemhealtheffect.php?chem_id=4334
Alter(s) skin structure, allowing other chemicals to penetrate deeper into the skin, increasing the amounts of other chemicals that reach the bloodstream

* sodium trideceth sulfate
This is also contained in dozens of johnson & johnsons and other baby care products that Mela likes to claim are "dangerous" - but what's the difference?
http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=chem&id=1086

It's just not that different that what I can buy on the shelf... at least not in my opinion. These are not natural ingredients.

I usually manage to refrain from posting this type of info to these types of threads, but the comment about it being our faults for thinking we're safe it would never happen to us (I don't know who said it and I'm not going to upset myself by reading back through all this to find it)... that really upsets me.

Just because I choose not to use Mela products doesn't mean I have my head buried in the sand. I've done my research.

If my child drank SOLUGARD, he'd be just as sick as the one in this story, correct? It's got ammonia in it. Yeah, maybe they don't claim anywhere that it's non-toxic but everything you hear is about how all their products are safe. Someone post the MSDS on the products. I'd like to see them...

I'll stick to baking soda, vinegar, and other natural things, thanks... :(

If my child drank SOLUGARD, he'd be just as sick as the one in this story, correct? It's got ammonia in it. Yeah, maybe they don't claim anywhere that it's non-toxic but everything you hear is about how all their products are safe. Someone post the MSDS on the products. I'd like to see them...
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I looked for them, too, but no idce -- I thought that by law EVERYTHING had to have MSDS sheets? But evidently Mela products do not come with them.

Melaleuca HAS them, they just won't make them public, kwim? Well, let me rephrase that... they are difficult to get. They will not give them out to MEs - at least they never would give any to me, when I was signed up, and I requested them. I was told repeatedly that they had to be requested from business development and could ONLY be provided if I was enrolling a day care or other organization which required it, and then they would fax the MSDS directly to that organization, not to me. :shake:

FWIW, Jess, I do believe that you are trying to help others. :) I'm not posting to make you feel bad at all. I wanted to help others too and didn't realize the people above me would try to get signups at any cost - even compromising the truth. :( It's easy to get stuck in the middle because you want to trust others, kwim? That's one reason I mentioned Vincent. If he got taken by this, then I hope that makes you feel a little better...

Anyway... back away from this thread now...

Tasteless post.

I use Dr. Bronner's peppermint and vinegar with hot water to clean carpet messes and it works fantastic.

I have already reported her to the policy administration department.

And not to be rude Jess, but I love some of melaleuca but one of the reason I chose not to sell their products is they use flouride in their toothpaste, they use SLS cancer causing bubbles in their bubble bath, and they use synthetic fragrances, dyes and fillers in many of their bath and body care products. So their are things that can KILL your child or you in many of their products.

And after Charlie puked yesterday, I grabbed my homemade Alice's wonder spray and sprayed the carpet, put the bottle back and then scrubbed the carpet. I don't leave even natural stuff out.
Alice's WonderSpray™ (from Clean House, Clean Planet by Karen Logan)

Combine the following ingredients in a 32 oz. spray bottle:

White vinegar - 1/4 cup

Borax - 2 tsp.

Hot water - almost fill bottle

Liquid Dish soap - 1/4 cup. Add last (try Palmolive or Seventh Generation)

Essential oil - 10 to 15 drops (optional, for scent. try lavender or lemon)

maybe i am out of the loop, ok, well i know i am out of the loop-but isn't the market board MADE for spam?
and i don't know jess at all, but i don't understand at all why ppl assume she made this up or passed it on knowing it was made up. i agree that it sounds completely false, but i am a bit cynical. i don't see why jess believing something she got in an email makes her a bad person. a bit too trusting perhaps.........

I think what gets people is that it's the type of spam, kwim?

If cloth diaper making mamas posted about how disposibles cause asthma, or have toxic chemicals, etc every time they spammed, I have a feeling they'd upset mamas, too. They don't. They post the good things about their diapers and the sales they offer. Totally different kind of spam.

Or if the mamas who make cloth pads or sell the keeper or diva cup posted how it's your own fault if you die of female cancer because you didn't use their products, there would be some upset mamas.

How about if the mamas who sell organic baby clothes posted about how a little one has cancer and that they "warned" her and if she had only spent a fortune for organic clothes the baby wouldn't have been exposed to all those chemicals and it wouldn't be fighting cancer?

It's not the spamming, it was just the way it was done, IMO. :( Yeah, the market board is for spam. But I can see where this is seriously upsetting to mamas, whether true or not.

My goodness, we can't post on the market board about Laci Peterson or when an abducted child is found dead, because it might upset mamas - how is this that different?

There is a bigger issue here than just spam...

And again, Jess, this is nothing against you personally. I know first hand this is what the Mela groups teach their mamas to do to market. :(

Edited to add, I don't think anyone was saying Jess is a "bad person" - it's just the tactic used is so emotionally charged that it is GOING to elicit a strong reaction - that's what hype like this is supposed to do - only the reaction is supposed to go the other way, this marketing tactic either works great or fails miserably for exactly that reason. It's designed to get strong emotions going, those emotions are supposed to motivate you to BUY instead of anger you, but it doesn't always work... read up on your marketing, mamas. ;) (that's a joke, no one take offense, I work for a marketer so I read this stuff constantly - go check out Marcia Yudkin's most recent article on hype and you'll recognize a lot of this if you want to know more about marketing ethically).

This makes me think of Meeshi's posts on animal rights. Meeshi isn't a bad person, I happen to agree with a LOT of her posts - it's just something she's passionate about, and it upsets people sometimes the way it is presented. When you're passionate about something, especially something controversial, there's a fine line there. If people feel like it's crossed... they're going to be upset. And Meeshi has no personal financial interest in us not buying cow meat, kwim? So when you involve our emotions WITH our finances, it gets even stickier.

There's just never an excuse to exploit a tragedy, as Karen did. :(

Cheers, Danica, for going right to the hospital! I emailed someone there last night when I first read this story and was wondering if I would get a response. I think I probably emailed the same person you spoke with!

Tasteless, tacky, sad - that this is acceptable marketing to anyone in the company in question.

BTW - Kathy-Jo - I love that cleaner! I bought a bottle (by giving a $1 donation to the enviromental school) at the Green Expo at the State Fairgrounds this spring. :D

They never claimed to be ALL natural. They claim to be SAFER. They do have product lines that are all natural and everything in their products are thoughly tested.

i guess i am more out of the loop than i thought, b/c i hadn't noticed that much other stuff about those products. but then, i don't read all the posts here either. i don't have time, so i usually just skim what i think i would like.
i see your point about the other mamas not posting in that manner. i was just thinking yesterday (when i first read the post, the original) that ppl were a little harsh, i didn't know the history.

ETA=i was posting in response to snowflake, i didn't realize that there were so many posts in between us.

Again I have to say it is not how *I* was taught to market. I could never see myself saying the things Karen said. I just copied/pasted her email as I received it, which I realize was not the smartest thing to do now. It is ALL over the email lists and I've gotten it several times from lots of different reps so it's going very widespread already so I hope we find out the truth soon. I still have a hard time beleiving it is made up and probally will until I get confirmation that it isn't.

I just honestly care about people. I'd give someone the last dollar I had if they needed it more then me or sell something I loved to help a friend. Even when we had money trouble, I still sent things to moms in need even though I couldn't afford to.

I also live with a man that is VERY VERY VERY mainstream. He would have a BIRD if my house smelled like vinegar and woudl be ANGRY if he had to use cleaners that didn't WORK. Our Company is a great mix between natural and mainstream. Probally the ONLY way to get safer products into my home. So yes I love what I do, and I love helping others.

They don't put their stuff on the shelves so that it can help mothers and fathers stay home with their children. So that every purchase supports 7 families, so they can offer this awesome compensation plan, so they can keep their prices LOW because they don't have to have middlemen. So they can keep their products FRESH and not sitting on shelves for months at a time. THAT is why they don't sell the products in stores. There are TONS of other products out there on the shelves that people can buy if they want to, at health food store and even regular stores are getting safer products in now! So people that go to the store have options too! Some people (like ME!) hate shopping... more, my KIDS hate shopping so saving me a trip to the store is worth tons! I usually spend so much I DO NOT need when I go to the store so shopping there saves me moeny in that wya too. Plus they give me 10% back on every order to go towards free products, access to tons of money saving services (telephone, internet, mortgage, finance, travel ect!)

To me it just make sence to switch stores. It doesn't for everyone and that's ok with me. I'm not a pushy person. I know some teams are very different then ours. They are very pushy, mean, sales pitchy and taught different things. Our team is not that way (and Karen IS with another team so maybe that is how they do things)

Please don't judge all of us because of ONE person. It is not the way everyone does things or the way we are all taught.

~Jess

maybe i am out of the loop, ok, well i know i am out of the loop-but isn't the market board MADE for spam?...i don't see why jess believing something she got in an email makes her a bad person.

I think the issue here is that this is disguised SPAM which plays on emotions. It's one thing to say "buy this product because it is safer" and another thing to put forth a story (true? not true?) of a supposed recent tragedy and use that story to sell your product. Now, I think Jess was truly trying to help people by making them aware of the issue but I think Karen and/or whoever wrote this whole thing was using a sad situation (which may not even have happened or could be an exaggeration of what happened) to push the product.

Yes, dangerous chemicals are an issue.

Another issue that might be just as important is the "stressed/anxious mom" issue. Ok, I admit it: I am OCD about some things and tend to be cautious and anxious. I am aware of this and try to counter my natural tendency to worry with logic (and prayer!). Having said that, I know that stress and worry do play a big role on my health - physical and emotional. I try to avoid stories that add to my problem in this area. I don't think things like this help me. I suspect I am not the only mama who struggles with emotions based on stuff like this. I agree that something like "Mamas, be careful about toxic chemicals. *insert a one sentence synopsis of the tragedy* I certainly would not take advantage of a time like this to bring forth any specific product to sell.

I don't think Jess is a bad person. I didn't see that others thought so either. I think most of us think her heart was in the right place. That story is awful. The emotions it brings forth are terrible. Jess seems to want to make sure this does not happen to any child. Still, I think emotions got the better part of reason by posting this, but perhaps this post will serve to 1) remind us to be careful about any cleaners/chemicals and 2) remind us to be careful of marketing ploys - especially those that play on your emotions.

Jess, how well do you know Karen? Is this someone you know IRL?

I want to pitch in and say Jess would never intentionally try to guilt people into joining Melaleuca by sharing stories like this. While Melaleuca products are SAFER than many household products, not all of them are natural.

I am on the same team as Jess for Melaleuca ~ I never got this email. So maybe Karen is a friend of hers? Or she's part of a team? I don't know a lot of people on my team nor do I receive emails (except from Denise and maybe a few from Jess) ~ I would like to think that the story is true. I hope that the truth can be found ~ this is a horrible story... very sad and heart-breaking. :wah:

Omgosh Rondi Jadon is getting so big! He is just precious.

I do not know Karen that well. She and I have emailed back and forth occationally and she seems like a truly nice/sweet person. I really don't think she's is making it up but anything is possible on the internet.

An exaggeration maybe, but I really don't beleive she flat out made the whole story up. I have emailed her and am waiting for a reply but I do truly believe she is at a funeral today so am not expecting a responce for awhie.

~Jess

Originally posted by pinkmommy
[B]I think the issue here is that this is disguised SPAM which plays on emotions. It's one thing to say "buy this product because it is safer" and another thing to put forth a story (true? not true?) of a supposed recent tragedy and use that story to sell your product. Now, I think Jess was truly trying to help people by making them aware of the issue but I think Karen and/or whoever wrote this whole thing was using a sad situation (which may not even have happened or could be an exaggeration of what happened) to push the product.[B]

i see your point on that, i was just shocked that ppl reacted so strongly to the email. like i said, i am out of the loop and didn't realize there was more to it than just this post.

edited b/c the quote function didn't work right the first three times i tried.

another update:

i just spoke with a lawyer from the hospital.

the story is not true.

I cut and pasted the original post and contact information to the pr department of reckittbenckiser the makers of Resolve Carpet Cleaner.

I must have missed where the name of the hospital was posted--where is it??

Antonia

It was in the original, unedited post.

Karen just called me, she just got back from the funeral.

The story IS true she says. She wrote the information as it was given to her by a greiving mother. What else she learned contributed was that the child also had severe allergies/athsma which I'm sure contributed to his death. She may not have all the details perfect, but she went to a childs funeral today, a funeral she feels could have been avoided from the details she was given. She said her friend can't even hold her daughter (the baby) at all.

Oh the pain she must be going through. Ugh I didn't even put Ryan down for his nap todya. He is in my arms napping right now. I don't want him out of my sight.

Karen said she called the company that makes resolve, and they said that just spraying it wouldn't kill a child, or drinking a little, but they said if they have athsma/allgergies that it could. :(

That's all the info I have right now. I will let you know more when I get/hear anything. Those that have her number feel free to call her but her phone (other line) blipped about 5 times in the 10 minutes we talk so I'm sure she will be on the phone a lot this afternoon, I wouldn't blame her if she unplugs it, she is greiving herself, I could hear her voice cracking and the tears starting as she talked about it. It was heartwrenching and I started crying as well.

:wah:

Originally posted by littlemamajess
Karen just called me, she just got back from the funeral.

The story IS true she says. She wrote the information as it was given to her by a greiving mother. What else she learned contributed was that the child also had severe allergies/athsma which I'm sure contributed to his death. She may not have all the details perfect, but she went to a childs funeral today, a funeral she feels could have been avoided from the details she was given. She said her friend can't even hold her daughter (the baby) at all.


:wah:

You just posted this.....

Originally posted by littlemamajess
I received a story yesterday, of a sweet little boy who is almost two that loved blues clues and trucks... he grabbed some resolve his mother sat on the floor and she turned her back for a minute and sprayed some in his mouth. It corroded everything on the way through his tiny body and he died 18 hours later. Please mamas keep your kids safe. There are so many other, safer alternatives out there.



But earlier posted this.....

So can "Karen" make up her mind? Was it a baby girl or a little boy? I think it is a farse!

C'mon, get real....."Karen" will unplug her phone because she has been caught...

JMO~
S~

Im sick to my stomach that someone is that nasty as to send an email basically saying that a woman isresponsible for the death of her child because she didnt use this companys products.The "I tried to tell her" made me want to vomit.

What a disgusting marketing tactic.

Never,ever would i buy from this company now.

Good work,to the woman that called the hospital.

Littlemamajess-no offense,but before posting something like this,(something as horrid as a death of a child), you REALLY should of made 100% sure your facts were in place.

Hrm... interesting that the children's hospital knows nothing about it. And I have it on good authority that a rep from their legal department HAS read this thread here.

Jess, we're not blaming you for the inaccuracies, but dang. Things just aren't adding up here.

Is there anything official from Melaleuca yet?

Originally posted by playpenlady
So can "Karen" make up her mind? Was it a baby girl or a little boy? I think it is a farse!

Could it have been the little boy that passed away & maybe Jess was saying that there is a little sister (the baby) who the Mom can not hold right now? Maybe because she is too emotional?

That's what I gathered from the posts. But I really don't know.

This continues to disturb me.

By the way I think the not holding her daughter is her 4 year old. Does anyone have the original post or email. I have sent most of it to the RESOLVE PR department but they would like to see more if you have it.

I just don't believe it. Maybe I am not gullible.

The child that died was a BOY, he has a younger sister that is almost 5 months old, THAT is who the mom can't hold right now.


I don't think the hospital is lying and I don't think Karen is lying either. Maybe the hospital doesn't consider his death due to the resolve, maybe they consider it something else. They cannot LEGALLY give out any information to anyone about the pacient. Maybe all the facts were not right, but that is what she was told and she wrote her email based on what she heard from the childs mother. I wish I had more details but at this point I don't, hopefully we will be able to find out more info soon.

Originally posted by playpenlady


So can "Karen" make up her mind? Was it a baby girl or a little boy? I think it is a farse!



in the letter the mother has two children. the two year old lil boy (who may or may have not died) and an infant daughter.

I still don't know what to believe.

I do know that no matter if it's true or not it's a bad way to do business.

i thought there was a four year old girl. Okay I messed up.

I can see a child going into respiratory failure from inhaling chemicals much more realistically than the original story, but I don't understand why a mother with a child diagnosed with asthma wouldn't have medication at home to prevent death in the case of a major attack.

I'm really crossing my fingers that this didn't happen, for the family's sake.

Originally posted by genevasmum
I can see a child going into respiratory failure from inhaling chemicals much more realistically than the original story, but I don't understand why a mother with a child diagnosed with asthma wouldn't have medication at home to prevent death in the case of a major attack.


Actually not all medications will prevent death. My DD & I both have severe asthma & we both have preventitive inhalers & nebulizers as well as emergency ones. DS has allergies. You can't guarantee that the inhalers will save our lives in the event that a major attack. Yes we can pray they help & more often than not they do. But you just never know. Especially in this case where the child swallowed chemicals. More than likely the asthma medication would not help with any chemical like that in the lungs, if any chemicals did get in there. Neither would allergy meds. The child would have to seek medical help! But I can't say for certain since I am not a doctor. But I know in my case, if either of my children ingested harmful chemicals, there's no way I'd hold any weight to their meds. I'd be calling 911/poison control in a heartbeat & not giving any meds incase they interfere. JMHO!

Originally posted by ReesesMomma




Also...Baking soda and Vinegar works really well for cleaning just about anything. Including carpet. I just used it the other day actually. Just sprinkle baking soda on the stain then pour (or spray) some vinegar on it. Let it fiz up and set for a moment then soak up the baking soda/vinegar/stain witha towel. You can get a huge jug of vinegar for under $3 and a decent sized box of baking soda for even less. And no marketing schemes! :thumbsup:

This is what I was going to say!


Kind of ot, but my cousin drank/asperated a Glade citrinella candle (the fake, gel kinds you don't light?) and almost died from that- was in a coma, etc. He did come out alive, but nasty stuff can happen with ANY cleaner (you could asperate vineger/etc and get really sick from it I imagine). Not saying someones post is or isn't true, etc however (I really thought when I opened the post it was going to be about soday/vinegar etc, etc alternatives).


Off to start a new thread with readily available alternatives!!!

I would imagine that Melaleuca products could kill too if a child/person drank enough. :( Growing up our neighbor girl had developmental issues and would drink bleach. No, really. She did it 2 times with no fatal effects, only a horribly burnt throat and a few days in the hospital. They finally stopped buying it after catching her numerous times trying again and again to drink it! :eek:

Keep all cleaning products away from kids.

This whole thread is so sad in so many ways. :(

Originally posted by Debra
Actually not all medications will prevent death. My DD & I both have severe asthma & we both have preventitive inhalers & nebulizers as well as emergency ones. DS has allergies. You can't guarantee that the inhalers will save our lives in the event that a major attack. Yes we can pray they help & more often than not they do. But you just never know. Especially in this case where the child swallowed chemicals. More than likely the asthma medication would not help with any chemical like that in the lungs, if any chemicals did get in there. Neither would allergy meds. The child would have to seek medical help! But I can't say for certain since I am not a doctor. But I know in my case, if either of my children ingested harmful chemicals, there's no way I'd hold any weight to their meds. I'd be calling 911/poison control in a heartbeat & not giving any meds incase they interfere. JMHO!

I have asthma too and was almost killed by inhaling chlorine fumes as a child. I was given a nebulizer treatment and I was very lucky. You can bet that if this was my kid and she wasn't breathing I'd be giving her the epi pen and her inhaler in a heartbeat. I suppose it's different for everyone, though.

(Hi Debra, you thread moocher. :p )

Becky, me a thread moocher?! Never! lol :p

That is so awesome that your neb worked for you. It's so scary when you or someone you love has asthma. Believe it or not, I had never had a single asthma symptom until I was 6 months pregnant with DD & I was 25 y/o. I kept telling my midwife that I was having trouble breathing at night. Finally when DD was 2 months old, I had a major attack, did the breathing checks & they said I shoulda been on an inhaler a long time ago! :eek: Have you ever had to use the epi pen before? Did it work well? What kind of allergies do you guys have? Just curious!

Back to the OP now! ;)

I've had to go to the ER and my dr. and get shots of epinephrine but I don't have an epipen now. The epi always works, but it makes you puke and feel like dog poop. Shakey, speedy, anxious. Luckily, my pg reduced my asthma symptoms so I just take singulair and use my inhaler.

I don't know what my allergies are. I need to get tested but I'd much rather have some new clothes or a vacation, kwim. ;)

Okay, one word about this thread. Spam. I don't even know why you would say such a thing. I also hope that the lady that this happend to doesn't see this. I would be hurt if I was her and saw this. This ISN'T the way to get people to buy your soap or whatever. That was a very wrong thing you did. I am very, very upset. :mad: I hate it when people do this. It just isn't right. I am 14 and I would never have done this....I am leaving!

~Jamie~

I called Karen I believe her. She originally sent the email to 30 people and said it got spread all over and the story distorted etc. His name was changed even. Anyway I think the whole thing is sad. She said she has 500 emails, many are nasty and mean phonecalls. She said that three people even called the mother as she was walking out the door to the funeral. She said that the press came etc...I feel so bad and do believe her but still do not agree with the blaming the mother etc.

I don't understand. Why do some people have to be that way? That makes me feel horrible. I agree, this thread is wrong, offensive, and sad. :(

Originally posted by ~Denise~
I would imagine that Melaleuca products could kill too if a child/person drank enough. :( Growing up our neighbor girl had developmental issues and would drink bleach. No, really. She did it 2 times with no fatal effects, only a horribly burnt throat and a few days in the hospital. They finally stopped buying it after catching her numerous times trying again and again to drink it! :eek:

Keep all cleaning products away from kids.

"A 23-month-old boy became confused and was unable to walk thirty minutes after ingesting less than 10 mL of T36-C7, a commercial product that contained 100% melaleuca oil. The child was referred to a nearby hospital. His condition improved and he was asymptomatic within 5 hours of ingestion. He was discharged home the next day. Melaleuca oil, extracted from the Melaleuca alternifolia, contains 50-60% terpenes and related alcohols. This case report suggests that ingestion of a modest amount of a concentrated form of this oil may produce signs of toxicity."
http://www.exoticbird.com/gillian/teatree.html
The "T36-C7" is (or was, at one time-seems to have been replaced by T36-C5) one of melaleuca's products. TTO can also be toxic to pets, especially birds.

Originally posted by kaje62
I called Karen I believe her. She originally sent the email to 30 people and said it got spread all over and the story distorted etc. His name was changed even. Anyway I think the whole thing is sad. She said she has 500 emails, many are nasty and mean phonecalls. She said that three people even called the mother as she was walking out the door to the funeral. She said that the press came etc...I feel so bad and do believe her but still do not agree with the blaming the mother etc.

:confused: How did they get the mothers contact info? She deserves every email and phone call she gets (Karen) for typing up the story and spreading it all around.

I still don't buy it. Sorry. I wonder how her friend will feel (if this is actually true) when she finds out her so called friend helped to add to her grief by typing up this story and having it spread all over the internet.. and lets not forget the part about how it was her fault. :( (but i still don't believe it.)

I would hate to be her about now, as I am sure the makers of Resolve cleaner are none too happy. It's my guess that this could be constituted as slander and liable. Especially with no real proof that their product is in fact the reason for the (assuming) childs death.

JUST TO CLARIFY.. for anyone NEW reading this thread, I DID NOT say any of the things you see quoted in the replies on this thread. They were from my original post which was a copy/paste of an email I got. Just don't want anyone to think I said those things. Again I am sorry I posted the original email, but I can't change the past. Just on with the future.

Lets let this thread die now shall we? I think everyone on Amity's has seen it now and I've sure had enough of people thinking crappy of me for one day and I sure have learned a lesson.

Thanks for the sweet words from some of the mamas, I really needed it. You guys are the best.

~Jess

No people called her at home, before she left for the funeral home. Somehow people tracked her down, Karen thinks maybe from the funeral home.

And anything is toxic in large doses, even water. It's the stuff that is toxic in small doses that is scary.

~Jess

I agree, this sounds like a hoax to me. The media showing up as the mother is leaving to the funeral? Not being able to hold a tiny baby? If I had lost one child, you could not get the other one out of my arms.

Jess, you got the original email from Karen directly, right? So none of that information could have been changed, as she claims.

Anyone ever notice how kids in hoaxes always die in Pittsburgh?

steering clear of pittsburgh :eek:

I agree that the original post could have been short and "bitter-sweet". It was a little too much info.

That said, you did reach me. we have all commercial crap under our sink. We are picking up some stuff from Whole foods tomorrow. Your post made me realize that our housecleaner cleans when we are home and all that crap in the air with no ventilation because of central air is gross...so your tactic worked for me! :D

Okay, in the original email Karen said "a sweet little boy who is almost two" then later said "I was at his baptism and his birthdays". If he wasn't yet two, there would have only been one birthday party.

Knit (sp?) picking, I know, but it just stands out.

Originally posted by Elizabeth
Okay, in the original email Karen said "a sweet little boy who is almost two" then later said "I was at his baptism and his birthdays". If he wasn't yet two, there would have only been one birthday party.

Knit (sp?) picking, I know, but it just stands out.

I know, I was thinking about that too...

Originally posted by littlemamajess
I don't think the hospital is lying and I don't think Karen is lying either. Maybe the hospital doesn't consider his death due to the resolve, maybe they consider it something else. They cannot LEGALLY give out any information to anyone about the pacient.

in response to this:

i spoke with sue (patient representative) and with marc in the legal department. neither of them had heard of a story even similar to this. neither said "we can't go into details because of patient confidentiality." marc was emphatic that this never happened.

i spoke with marc several hours after sue. they were given the supposed date of death and the child's name. in those hours they would have been able to find the case. according to him this was completely fabricated. ftr marc is registered here now so he can read this.

fabricated or altered, this stunt just really sucked.

Originally posted by Elizabeth
Okay, in the original email Karen said "a sweet little boy who is almost two" then later said "I was at his baptism and his birthdays". If he wasn't yet two, there would have only been one birthday party.

Knit (sp?) picking, I know, but it just stands out.

that is the first thing that stood out to me too.

Originally posted by danica
in response to this:

i spoke with sue (patient representative) and with marc in the legal department. neither of them had heard of a story even similar to this. neither said "we can't go into details because of patient confidentiality." marc was emphatic that this never happened.

i spoke with marc several hours after sue. they were given the supposed date of death and the child's name. in those hours they would have been able to find the case. according to him this was completely fabricated. ftr marc is registered here now so he can read this.

fabricated or altered, this stunt just really sucked.

And now they call her the Great Soap Detective. :) Good for you getting the truth Danica.

Originally posted by kaje62
i thought there was a four year old girl. Okay I messed up.

The original post did say there was a 4 yr old girl, which confused me since the letter made it sound that she was younger than her 2 yr old brother.

(I have no opinion on any of the replies, just pointing out that you weren't the only one who saw 4 yr old girl in the OP)

Edited to say, I reread the OP and see that what it was saying is that the baby is 4 months, almost 5 months old. So, a misconfusion on my part.

The original email said the boy turned 2 in July so it is possible to have been there for more then one birthday party.
It also said the sister is 4, almost 5 months old.

first of all here is the original

Recent Tragedy

Please read this entire story. It could save a life of someone you know, perhaps even your own child.

Saturday, August 21, 2004

On Thursday morning I received a call. This call was from someone with whom I hadn’t spoken with in a while. I used to work with her and I’ve known her for years. We have been through a lot together; marriages, deaths, illnesses, births, family issues, etc….Her name is Megan. Ironically, as you’ll see, she was also the first person I had shared Melaleuca with after I became a customer last August.

When she called me, I knew something was wrong. She proceeded to tell me that her son Dylan had been rushed to the ER and then Life Flighted to Children’s Hospital in Pittsburgh. The reason? He swallowed Resolve Carpet Cleaner. She was cleaning a spot of Kool-Aid from the carpet, and had the bottle setting right next to her. Her son, Dylan, who had just turned 2 in July, was playing behind her. In the minute that she had her back turned, he grabbed the Resolve and squirted it in his mouth. By the time she turned around, he had already begun to convulse.

I want you to know that is a day I will never forget. They let little Dylan go at about 2 am. Less than 18 hours after he drunk the Resolve. The cleaner burned and corroded everything it touched on its way through his digestive tract. They did have him sedated, and on life support. She did say he opened his eyes one time, and in those eyes, she said she could hear him saying “Mommy, let me go. Let me die, I hurt, I’m in pain.” I could never imagine losing a child. But I do know that there is no reason why this child’s life should have been taken. He died because of thoughtless manufacturers who don’t have enough responsibility to make safe products.

Some of you may say she was negligent. Not so, she was sitting two feet from him. She set the bottle down for a second. I don’t believe she was negligent at all. All of us, when we are cleaning our windows or bathtub or whatever, set the cleaner down next to us, while we wipe up or clean up the mess. We don’t put it away in between wiping something down. We do it every day.

We never think that it could be us. I know there are those of you who think, it will never happen to me, I have it up in a cabinet, it’s locked up, whatever. That mentality – it won’t happen to me – is fine and dandy until it does.

There is only one way to prevent this type of tragedy from occurring. GET THE TOXIC CHEMICALS OUT OF YOUR HOME. Your child’s like is not worth the risk you take by having them there. There are safer, less toxic alternatives. Melaleuca makes safe products; they are an extremely caring and responsible manufacturer. Their products are safe.

Here is something Frank VanderSloot, our President and CEO mentioned just two weeks ago at convention: “30 million bottles of EcoSense products have been sold. Over 200 cases reported of children drinking from a product. ZERO serious injuries and ZERO hospitalized!”

This is real, people! I held this child in my arms when he was born, I was at his baptism and his birthdays….now he is gone. And there is no excuse! These products from store shelves are dangerous! His mother now has to deal with the guilt for the rest of her life. As I had mentioned, I did share Melaleuca with her. She knew there were safer alternatives. She knew. Her excuse…it’s that “Amway thing”, my cousin is “in that”, I know all about it and I’m just not interested. She knew. She thought, never in a million years will that happen to me, I’m careful. The guilt and pain have to be unbearable. She has to pick out a casket for her son. A tiny, child size casket. She will bury her son on Monday. She will never see her son start Kindergarten, graduate high school and college, she will never see him get married or have grandchildren for her to dote over. She is going to have to deal with stress in her marriage. And his younger sister will never see him again. (She is four, almost five months old)

I am horrified to think of what that family is going through. The only good that can come of this is for us to prevent this from happening to anyone else. Don’t let Dylan’s death be in vain. It is up to us to educate people. Every life you touch is potentially a life saved. You can never underestimate the power of one. Don’t take no for an answer – you may save a life.

I know there are those of you out there who have chosen not to join Melaleuca as a preferred customer; I know there are those of you who are thinking of canceling your memberships. Let me ask you – What is your child’s life worth? If the problem is that you think you can’t afford it…skip going out for pizza! Don’t get that manicure. Don’t stop at Starbuck’s for that double mocha latte. You don’t really need those new shoes, you probably have several pairs too many. Buy safer products instead. Your child’s life may at some point in time depend on it. If you do this now, you can help to ensure that your children will not suffer the same painful death that little Dylan did. There is no excuse.

What if this happened to YOU and you knew you could have prevented it, just by having safer products in your home? How would you feel if your child died as a result of something you chose not to do because you didn’t have the money, or didn’t’ understand the concept behind Melaleuca?

Most people say no because they just don’t understand. They think we are a pyramid or MLM. I can guarantee you – we are not either. Melaleuca has in fact won many numerous accolades and awards because of their upstanding and outstanding business ethics. They think 35 points is too much. Let me tell you …if you can’t spend 35 points a month – you are still buying something from the grocery store…If you totally switch stores, 35 points is easy. You would actually have to try to go below it! Why wouldn’t you switch stores? Our products work better, they are better quality, they are less expensive in many cases, and they are SAFE! What other excuse have I heard? Oh, the backup order – the back up order is there to protect YOU! It ensures you get your products if you forget to order, it ensures you will still get your check if you forget to order, it ensures your preferred customers status and the great prices and perks you get just for being a customer. There are more, but ask questions if you don’t understand. Melaleuca is not out to rip anyone off - their policies are in place to help us and to protect us. Ignorance is no excuse.

I have to go to his funeral on Monday. I will have to say goodbye to an innocent child. Because of a manufacturers irresponsibility to provide safe products to their consumers. It is inexcusable. I have never been to a funeral of a child. I have never even known a child who died. I don’t ever want to go to another one. I do not ever want to get another phone call from anyone saying that their child is dying or died because they drank one cleaner or another. Dylan is not a statistic, he was a child. He was my friend’s son. He was a vibrant 2 year old, little boy, who had just gotten to be a big brother. He loved Blues Clues and ice cream. He especially liked his trucks. He had many of those! He liked macaroni and cheese. He loved his dog and their cats. He loved his parent and his baby sister. He loved his grandparents and everyone else he knew.

I know some of you are saying you don’t have any children. Well, perhaps you have grandchildren, or nieces and nephews. The point is at some point in time, more than likely, you will have a small child in your home. It is your responsibility to be sure you provide a safe environment. Imagine how she feels having lost her son, imagine if it had been someone else’s child, in her home.

This could have been prevented. If she had only listened, and not had the “it’ll never happen to me” mentality. It did happen. And it could happen to anyone at anytime. It is up to us as adults to provide the safest environment we can for ourselves and our children and even our pets. Several thousand children are poisoned every year!! What are the odds it could be your child, or someone you know? How long can you outrun the odds? Don’t take a chance – these are children’s lives we are talking about. So I ask you – What is your child’s life worth.

For those of you who are faithful Melaleuca customers, thank you! You could be saving your child’s life.

For those of you who are business builders and share Melaleuca with others, thank you, you could be saving someone else’s child and family from having to go through this terrible pain of loosing a child.

For those of you who are thinking of canceling, DON’T! Think of the potential consequences. The fact is you never think it will happen to you – why take that chance??!!

For those of you who have chosen not to be a Melaleuca customer, for one reason or another, PLEASE, reconsider, your child’s life could depend on you making this responsible decision.

I don’t ever want to choose a casket for one of my children. I hope that you don’t either.

As I said I talked to Karen. She was very nice and sweet and was crying at the beginning of our talk and very angry by the time we hung up. She said that things had been distorted etc. but she will not send me her original email. I only have the one that someone sent me.

I drove to meet up with my aunt tonite and I keep switching from feeling sad and like a geek that I am so gullible to feeling angry at being lied to and then feeling guilty for not believing this.

I have to say I still don't know how I feel except even if it is not true. I hate this tactics and have a hard time believing that the mother would be cool with what was posted.

Also after a pleasant conversation with Karen, right before we hung up, she said, I hope you believe me and if you don't I hope it never happens to you and I said, It won't as I said I have not used synthetics or chemicals in 14 years. That really upset me.

So I called her back an hour later and we talked more. I just don't know what to say.

This hits so close to home, the little boy decribed is my sons age, he loves the same things my son does (blues clues,trucks). My son will turn 2 in one month, 1 year ago, before I joined Melaleuca, Resolve carpet cleaner was very widley used here as I have light carpet and it's constantly getting stained. Now I use a Melaleuca Mix that works better, faster and is safer. I am so VERY thankful to have Melaleuca in my home, and to know that my son is safe. I can't count the number of times he's grabbed a cleaner sitting right next to me and sprayed it before I could grab it back. Thank goodness it was always Melaleuca, and it will always BE Melaleuca. What a great reminder of what the CORE of our business is. SHARE these products with everyone. Don't just hunt for business builders, customers are just as important and it is our responsibility to tell people about it. What if this was your friend, or your neighbor? Have you told them about Melaleuca? How much guilt would YOU feel if this happened to someone YOU know and you had never told them about Melaleuca? People NEED to know what these products can do. People have no idea how LITTLE of something it takes to kill a child. So please, educate people. Even if you don't want to build a business, tell others about the products and let your mentor know so they can help you educate them and get them signed up. For me this business is NOT about making money, it's about changing lives, and together we CAN make a difference... Here's the story.... Forward it to others you know, others on our team, others that mabye said no, anyone that could benefit.. she said anyone is welcome to share it. ~Jess

Ya, now i remember why this thread rubbed me the wrong way.

UGH Jess! Please try and tell me how badly you wanted us to know about this poor child. Look at your words. Why would you EVEN associate the words Business,Customer, and SIGNED UP, with such a tragedy?

Nice way to play on peoples emotions. To me you are just as much at fault as the person that originally sent you this email..

:mad:

UGH I am so pissed after reading that thread again. I wonder if this womans local news needs a piece to fill some space, because I am tempted to call and show them this email and give them her information. This is ludicrous!!

I DO know, I will be emailing Melaleuca. I can only pray this is not a true story, because if I knew a "friend" had used my tradgedy to try and drum up some sales and support for her company.. I don't know that I would be able to handle it and would probably end up in jail.

^ exactly what I was thinking

Gee, I had thought about buying melaluca. Now you couldn't pay me to use their products. I *will not* support a company that uses or approves of these sale tactics.

If you want to sell label your post :spam: Using a story like this just makes people less likely to buy. I know I never will now.

THAT was NOT my orginal post HERE! That was a PERSONAL email I sent out to MY team and MY customers that are ALREADY a part of our team, I did not use the company's name in my original post.

If I would have even suspected it was untrue I would not have shared it with anyone but since I had talked to Karen in the past and exchanged several emails with her I had no reason at all to even think she would be lying or that she didn't have all the facts.

Jess your original post was very similar to that email. I want you to know that what you posted could end up in a lawsuit. I don't know if you realize the implications here with RESOLVE, Malelucha and the mother.

And one more thing somewhere you posted that Karen has this story on her website. She told me she does not even have a website so that is confusing to me. Do you have the link?

No I said her phone number was on her business website, not the story! Her mom team website:

http://www.momswin.com/GoToxinFree/index.cfm?page=testimonials

*I* did not do anything wrong. I just passed on a story I thought was true. How many people passed on that swiffer thing? I must have got that email 5 times at least from different people and it's still going around!

I do realize the implications if this is in fact a big lie but there is nothing I can do about it. I am just one of 100's that passed on that email today.

I understand people are upset because it was an emotional post that many didn't expect to be spam.

I can totally see if this truly happened to Karen, who happens to sell Melaleuca, why she would type up the words she did, all about Melaleuca, and forward it to the people she works with who sell Melaleuca as well as friends who may not.

I can understand why Jess posted it as it's a topic she is passionate about. She didn't predict it would turn out like this, she edited her posts and apologized. What more do we want?

This has turned into a witch hunt. :(

Okay, Jess, even if it was directed JUST to your team... it still screams of "sell/buy these products!" in the face of tragedy. As in "a child died. he wouldn't've if only she'd been using our stuff." And frankly, you've gotta be kidding me. TO use a child's death as a product motivator?

Can you imagine, say Mother of Eden taking a news story about a kid dying from eating a part of a disposible and using it to say "see? if only these people had been using FuzziBunz this wouldn't have happened! Go get everyone to switch to cloth!" There'd be rolled eyes everywhere.

A not quite clear example, but you can get my drift.

To complete backtrack now... I'm sorry your personal email has been published without your permission. Hopefully if you ask KJ (?) she'll edit.

~amey

OK, I'm sending this to snopes. If anyone can find out, THEY can. They will verify whether or not it is true in the way it was presented by Meleluca.

If I were the mom, I'd be suing the pants off Meleluca for using my story.

And hey, mamas, let's not "blame" her (*her* being any mom who has lost a child or had one become ill from something preventable), okay? Accidents ARE accidents. Something scary has happened to all of us with our kids that fills us with "if onlys", kwim? My oldest drank infant tylenol that was in the diaper bag in another bag with a child-proof seal. He was under two! My middle slipped out the door of the church in less than 30 seconds of being seen by me and with at least 10 other people RIGHT there and was a foot from a busy street before we caught her. My youngest split his forehead open standing NEXT to me at a year old. We'd taken a door down, but left the hinge pins in the frame. He bent over at 15 months old and fell on the hinge pin attached to the DOOR FRAME and had to get seven stitches. None of these should have happened. But they did. Within a foot of this very protective, hyper-sensitive mama!

Will post any results I find.

How many people have emailed or phoned this Karen? Just outta curiousity.She should be charged.

This is the part that bugs me the most



For those of you who have chosen not to be a Melaleuca customer, for one reason or another, PLEASE, reconsider, your child’s life could depend on you making this responsible decision.

Ummm...can anyone say boycott???

I just want everybody to know that the story told is absolutely true. That aside I think that we should spend more time praying for the poor mother instead of calling hospitals and the mother herself harassing her. She recieved 5 calls on the morning of her sons funeral asking if her son was dead!! That is just wrong! I also want you all to know that using the company name in any of these post is against policy and the original poster will most likely be investigated. The company has strict policies against this because they want their name to remain reputable and can not monitor everybody out there. I know that this has been reported to the company. This board is not here to advertise our business but to chat with other work at home parents. If you want to advertise use your Team name. Ok that is my 2 cents and sorry for venting on all of you. I just don't want to see a good company dragged into the mud because of one person's misguided way of advertising. Have a wonder ful day!!

Just an added note this original letter was not presented by Melaleuca it was presented by a member of Stayin' Home and Lovin' it.

They can investigate away. *I* did NOT use the companies name in my original post. I edited Karens email to just say company or products and not say their name.

A PERSONAL email I sent to my teams was posted on here and THAT I cannot control, though I will ask to have it removed since I did NOT give permission to post MY personal email on a message board, that was NOT my original post here, that was a message to my team. KJ edited her post and I have PM'd Toni asking her to edit it out of hers.

I do agree that people who are judging a whole company based one ONE person's email is wrong. There are millions of customers with this company, don't judge the whole company on one email. They DO NOT in any way promote and is not responsible for every single person that types emails! They didn't even KNOW about the email and now it is so widespread that I doubt they can stop it.

The person who wrote the EMAIL is a member of MOMS WIN team, not Stayin Home and Lovin It! *I* am a member of stayin home and lovin it and I am the one that posted the email from Karen here yes, but not to use as a marketing ploy.

Now that we've got that all cleared up.... on with life!

Jess I took out your original paragraph. I did not know it was an email. Sorry.

But I still thing what is sent in emails ESPECIALLY forwards should be thought next time before sending. I am suring your email is being forwarded on and on.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!! YES I AM SHOUTING!! MOST OF THE POSTS ARE SIMPLY REPEATING THEMSELVES NOW...STOP BEATING THE HORSE...IT'S ALREADY DEAD AND BEATEN TO A PULP...SERIOUSLY LADIES...IS THIS REALLY HOW WE ARE GOING TO TREAT A FELLOW HUMAN BEING THAT SIMPLY MADE A MISTAKE?!?!! SURE, PEOPLE CAN POST UPDATES AS IN "YES HE'S PASSED AWAY" OR "NO, IT'S NOT TRUE" BUT ENOUGH WITH THE STONE THROWING!! I AM SO AMAZED THESE POSTS HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETELY REMOVED AND A MOD HASN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT TONING DOWN THE NASTY COMMENTS...FIRST YOU GUYS TALK TRASH AND THEN YOU SAY "BUT JESS, NOTHING PERSONAL" WELL, I DON'T KNOW JESS SO I WAS JUST GOING TO STAY OUT OF IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GET FLAMED...BUT NOW I DON'T CARE...IF NO ONE ELSE WILL STAND UP WITH HER THEN FINE...I'LL DO IT. JESS...I don't know how you're feeling right now but I highly recommend you simply edit and delete all your posts here and then walk away and don't look at this thread again. With the tone of many of these "sweet" ladies here it sounds like some will be getting you into big trouble. Some of the people that know you better have said you wouldn't have done this to be rude or mean so I am going to believe them. Hang in there and don't let this upset you (yeah right...i know...i'd be sobbing my butt off right now if I were in your shoes) As for the rest of the Amity mob...lay off. Can you imagine being attacked not once not twice...but for FIVE PAGES for making a mistake. Geeze,..I hope you guys are perfect...because one day I bet all of this insensitive treatment will be given to you when you make a mistake. I don't agree with what has happened here at all...in my eyes and in the eyes of other silent "lurkers" I think what many of you are doing to Jess is just as bad if not WORSE than what she did...she didn't mean to upset anyone...but it's obvious many of you weren't so considerate of her. If you want to email me and flame me fine...leave it off the boards though. Sit back and wonder at how this thread is getting hundreds of posts and the 1001 kindnesses thread sits dormant...*rolls eyes* I guess it's obvious what kind of behaviour seems to be more prevalent. Here's my email...leave Jess alone PLEASE! This has to STOP! sandylapp@hotmail.com

I've definately learned that KJ.... I hope not too many of them passed it on, I also just emailed them all and asked them to NOT pass it on anymore and appologized for passing on information that may not be true.

~Jess

Originally posted by michellevons
I just want everybody to know that the story told is absolutely true. That aside I think that we should spend more time praying for the poor mother instead of calling hospitals and the mother herself harassing her. She recieved 5 calls on the morning of her sons funeral asking if her son was dead!! That is just wrong! I also want you all to know that using the company name in any of these post is against policy and the original poster will most likely be investigated. The company has strict policies against this because they want their name to remain reputable and can not monitor everybody out there. I know that this has been reported to the company. This board is not here to advertise our business but to chat with other work at home parents. If you want to advertise use your Team name. Ok that is my 2 cents and sorry for venting on all of you. I just don't want to see a good company dragged into the mud because of one person's misguided way of advertising. Have a wonder ful day!!

Just an added note this original letter was not presented by Melaleuca it was presented by a member of Stayin' Home and Lovin' it.


Who are you?

Just a moment ago, Kevin Vincent (I'm sure this is a familiar name to anyone in Mela) also sent an apology to those on his mailing list for forwarding the same email. Just FYI. He doesn't seem to believe it was true and referred to it as a hoax.

Sad whether it's true or not. Not sure which would be sadder.

I too am surprised this thread is still here... but not because of any "mob" or whatever - I'm surprised because of the negativity of the original post - it was about a child DYING. Posts in the market have gotten moved simply for being updates on Amber Alerts or other sad current events - WTHeck is this one still here? It's upsetting whether true or not, and I don't get it.

One reason Mela doesn't allow the use of it's name, and all these "teams" get setup is exactly things like this - Melaleuca doesn't have to take any responsibility for the way it is marketed or promoted. If it were set up like most companies, the "marketing executives" would be "employees" and Mela would have been legally responsible for their actions... but not the case with their set up/structure... :shake:

And biting my tongue on the rest of the thoughts in my head. :( *sigh*

I agree, I don't know Jess but she seems to be a nice person. I think that she did honestly think this was true. I don't agree with her posting it but maybe she has never been involved in a MLM company like this before? With experience comes knowledge and maybe she was just naive to this? Anyone else that has ever posted an urban legend has just been told it was false and the thread was buried.

The hospital, Melaleuca, and Resolve have all been notified. What else can anyone do? I know that I will not do business with Melaleuca, not just because of this but I have other issues with them as well.

At this point I would rather give Jess the benefit of the doubt that she was just trying to help, then be feel like I hurt a mama or ran her away from this board when she didn't know better.

Let's let it drop!:D

Originally posted by Briannasmama
Anyone else that has ever posted an urban legend has just been told it was false and the thread was buried.

I don't know Jess. I have nothing against Jess. I am not interested in making someone run away from this board.

BUT...The OP was a marketing ploy. Pure and simple. It was designed to play on your emotions and make you believe that the best way to ensure that the same thing doesn't happen to your child is to buy and use the products that Jess is selling. That is way different than someone innocently posting something that turns out to be an urban legend. Way different.

Melissa

I agree with Melissa. I too will not be buying products from this company not just because of this thread but because of their company's structure. I've seen too many people come and just spam their products here. I don't blame the spamers (sp?) because they are just trying to provide for their families. I do blame the company structure.

This is one thread and one thread only, so it's not burring other more positive threads. Now if we start up with fifty other threads it would be taking over the board. I keep coming back to the thread because I want to know the truth. I want either a name or a newspaper article or something to back up the claim. If it's not true then I want a full written apology to this community FROM KAREN and the owner of this company for this lie.

If my four year old DD knows that lying is wrong, then so should Karen. She knew better.

The person who wrote the EMAIL is a member of MOMS WIN team, not Stayin Home and Lovin It! *I* am a member of stayin home and lovin it and I am the one that posted the email from Karen here yes, but not to use as a marketing ploy.

Come on!!!! This is what is keeping the thread going, this kind of stuff. Jess, you know perfectly well this was a marketing ploy or you wouldn't have sent the story out to others and encouraged them to C&P and send it around. well, I'll just include it again...

This hits so close to home, the little boy decribed is my sons age, he loves the same things my son does (blues clues,trucks). My son will turn 2 in one month, 1 year ago, before I joined Melaleuca, Resolve carpet cleaner was very widley used here as I have light carpet and it's constantly getting stained. Now I use a Melaleuca Mix that works better, faster and is safer. I am so VERY thankful to have Melaleuca in my home, and to know that my son is safe. I can't count the number of times he's grabbed a cleaner sitting right next to me and sprayed it before I could grab it back. Thank goodness it was always Melaleuca, and it will always BE Melaleuca. What a great reminder of what the CORE of our business is. SHARE these products with everyone. Don't just hunt for business builders, customers are just as important and it is our responsibility to tell people about it. What if this was your friend, or your neighbor? Have you told them about Melaleuca? How much guilt would YOU feel if this happened to someone YOU know and you had never told them about Melaleuca? People NEED to know what these products can do. People have no idea how LITTLE of something it takes to kill a child. So please, educate people. Even if you don't want to build a business, tell others about the products and let your mentor know so they can help you educate them and get them signed up. For me this business is NOT about making money, it's about changing lives, and together we CAN make a difference... Here's the story.... Forward it to others you know, others on our team, others that mabye said no, anyone that could benefit.. she said anyone is welcome to share it. ~Jess

Come on Jess, if it wasn't a marketing ploy, where the hell did this come from? I know you say you only sent it to people in your little sales club, but here you are encouraging them to use it as a marketing ploy.

I did encourage them to use it that way and I can see that now. At the time all I could think is that a boy died from a product that coudl have been replaced with something safer. I didn't know it might not be true, didn't even occur to me that facts could be wrong. All I could think is that the more people that get talked to, the less chance of this happening again. It was not about making money or exploiting a child. I didn't see it that way at the time but I do now and am disgusted with myself. I will *not* make that mistake again... EVER. But I can't take back what I did and I am an emotional mess right now because my dad just called and told me my uncle died this morning and then you add this in and I'm a certifiable sobbing mess.

Some of you might not like this company, but their products HAVE saved lives. Kids that woudl have drank other cleaners that could have killed them drank ours instead and LIVED. I don't care what you think of the company but what I do is important. The products are NOT all natural and that's ok with me, I am not a completely all natural person but I beleive that they are safer. If I hadn't switch over my home to these products, but instead had switched over to health food store products and found out all the same things I have learned I would be telling people they should shop there, though I'd be worried about telling them that since it cost so much. Everyone I know is SUPER mainstream, they aren't going to use baking soda and vinegar. So if I can keep them away from toxic chemicals and make money in the process... what could be better then that? I *love* what I do. Do I love making money? Of course, who doesn't? But more then that I love helping people, I love helping other people make money, I love the products, I love the company, I love my team, I love helping people live healthier and feel better and most of all to be SAFER.

I don't care if anyone beleives me or not.

This the most awful week I've ever had and it is only Tuesday and it doesn't look like it's going to get better anytime soon.

Hey, this thread brought some new members to the board, eh? :p

I keep seeing the "Please reconsider" and the "Melaleuca is not bad or involved in this!" claims, but you know, I am betting their products could also cause an allergic reaction in people, and like any commerical cleaner, could also be fatal if treated wrongly. And with all the hype and issues we constantly hear of with this company, from animal testing controversay to marketing issues, etc., I can see why a lot of people are totally turned off of Melaleuca.

Originally posted by littlemamajess


This the most awful week I've ever had and it is only Tuesday and it doesn't look like it's going to get better anytime soon.

:big hug:

So sorry your uncle died. Take some time off...you don't need th