ARGH!
I voted yes accidentally...LOL...I meant no, but of course I clicked the wrong one....DUH!
So, if you see one yes, just move it to the NO column for me....LOL

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I clicked unsure........why? Because........I would not buy from someone who thought I was "evil" or bad for not believing in a God.........I would never use their religion against them, but I would not want to buy from someone who thought badly of me over my lack of religion. LOL. And I will be honest, I have thought twice about buying from Mamas who seem to push religion and really believe their way is the only way for everyone........why? Because I feel angry about this attitude and because I assume they would not want to sell to me anyhow. LOL. (o:

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I voted for the it depends one...and let me explain why. I could never, ever support someone that I knew for sure was a practicing Satanist. Thats it, period...everyone else, pagan, wiccan, christian, whatever, fine..don't have a problem with it, wouldn't think twice about their religion..and have never had this problem because I don't think anyone on this board has admitted to being a satanist....though I will admit I have a hard time buying from someone that I assuredly know has different parenting practices than mine (main example discipline) Just absolutely will not, no matter how cute or cheap their stuff is...which is why I tend to avoid posts that talk about such thing...better for me not to know http://www.amitymama.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I once bought something from someone, and then found out they did the *S* word..I felt sick all day. JMHO

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I'm not sure I understand the link between religion and commerce, but maybe that's just me....

Someone's religion has got zero to do with their product. Now, I would submit that if someone were exibiting bad environmental practices, or was going to be using the money to fund a cause I was diametrically oppsed to--then I could see how ideology and commerce might mix. But just because someone has a certain set of *beliefs*...well, as long as my dollars aren't going to support some kind of evil practice (deforrestation, white supremacy propaganda, etc) then, who cares?

I don't particularly care for Satanists either (the few I have had the good forture of meeting have been the most self righteous people I ahve ever met in my life) but I would still buy from one if she/he had something I Wanted, and the aforementioned stipulatins weren't an issue.

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For me to refuse to buy from those who differ religiously ...hmmmmmmmm, where would I buy groceries, gasoline, clothing, fabric, household items...automobiles, toys, etc. IRL. I mean the top head honcho owner of most retailers *does* have a differing view. To top it off...lots of people use the name *christian* or any other religious *name*...and don't even know the meaning of the *name* they call themselves. Few people are dedicated with any depth of factual knowledge about what they call themselves. If I had that mentality...I mean, could I use electric, water or even natural gas or a telephone, or cell? Someone is making a buck in nearly every facet of life...who differs religiously.

Interesting question...now I'll read the other posts.

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well said! you made some very interesting points.

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I have felt the same way about some of the more religious mamas vs. the spiritual mamas. I believe that there is a world of difference between the two. But, I think that it just comes down to a personality style difference, in which case, the business deal is doomed no matter what, lol

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I don't even want to know what everyone else said but I voted absolutely not. Now if there was a personality issue~yes, I'd refuse... but religious, no. I don't hate/ picket/ boycott/ shun/ people who don't believe what I believe. I buy everything I need...who gets paid at the other end? I don't know. I am told "to be in the world but not of the world". I was once an unbeliever~where would I be if all of the Christians God put in my life refused to deal with me? I have A LOT of non-believing friends....no big deal. People are people, we are all the same but yet soooo very different. No problem. I'm obnoxiously, stubbornly oppinionated and I actually have friends, LOL! I can't get tooo elitisthttp://www.amitymama.com/images/icons/wink.gif

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I accidentally voted yes....One day I will learn to read all the directions.

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This is the most controversial thing I've ever posted:
I usually keep my buying/selling here separate from my understanding of people's religion/spirituality/beliefs, BUT
in general, I try not to do business with people/companies who I know are likely to vote very conservatively, and this often includes people whose religious and personal beliefs lead them to do so. My reasoning is that they may also support conservative candidates and causes, and I can't afford to help them support those. I am a lesbian and my sweet daughter is adopted. Most conservative politicians vote against legalizing any form of marriage between gay or lesbian partners and most also vote against allowing gays and lesbians to adopt. These issues are just too important to me to let me intentionally support someone who supports them. I'm sad to have to think in those terms; I want my family to just be a family, but that's the way it is. kwim? best wishes. Hana

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Okay, when I said voted yes, but meant to vote no, LOL, I was thinking ONLY of buying things through this site.
However, in my daily life, I definitely use the power of my meager $$ to make statements about what I do and don't believe.
I grew up in Lynchburg, Va., (still live right up the road) home of Jerry Falwell. You can love the man, think he walks on water, but I don't. I've seen and heard first hand the things that come out of his mouth and the fallout from them. When I go into town to do my shopping, I do NOT patronize businesses that I know support him. Not because he's a Southern Baptist (half my family is Southern Baptist), but because, in my experience, he and some of his followers are the most hypcritical, back biting people I've ever encountered. If I see one more WWJD sticker on a Lexus, I'll scream. WWJD? He wouldn't be driving a freakin' $30,000 car while others starve! Just my opinion.
On the other hand, I have met people who go to his church and University who are remarkable and wonderful and actually, disagree with him.
I also don't buy from companies who test on animals, don't pay their workers dirt, or who use child labor. I only buy clothes made in the US and certain European countries or second hand. Same for shoes.
I won't buy from Nestle either.
Now, would I ever NOT buy from someone simply because they were Jewish, Christian, Muslim, whatever? No.
If they were also a sexist, pornographer, child abusing, miscreant? Yes.
So, my answer is different than the question asked. I would never discriminate solely on the basis of religion or lack there of, but I do discriminate based on the companies and caliber of people withinn them.
Hope that made sense and didn't make too many of you mad.
If you are truly offended by what said about Jerry Falwell, well, I can't help what I've learned through my own life experience. I'm not asking anyone else to feel how I do....just explaining my feelings.
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Ok if I am understanding this correctly the poll results so far are:
yes zero (three mistakenly voted yes when they meant to vote absolutely not I'm sorry if I made the wording confusing)
absolutely not 28 (reflects the three I added from yes choice)
it would depend on which faith she practices or how far hers differs from mine 4
unsure 3

The reason for my poll was that I personally have felt religoiusly discriminated against regarding transaction here. That sounds odd since I don't think I've ever revealed my personal spiritual beliefs but was a real feeling to me nonetheless. I was curious as to whether anyone else would discriminate. Remember the poll is anonymous unless you post a reply here we do not know who voted for which choice. Parenting, personality or political views aside - though I realize sometimes the line gets blurred or overlaps http://www.amitymama.com/images/icons/tongue.gif my curiousity was just a religious or faith based or spirtual one this time. Anyway thank you again everyone for taking my poll.

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I do not think you are alone in your feeling, once I came public about my beliefs several posts were ignored altogether, then certain people who used to post supportive things, now do not post on mine at all.
Try logging in to chat and having 6 or more people leave immediately, yes it could be coincidence, but it has happened more than once.
I have one thing to say about that,
Any mama who loves their children deserves support. You may choose to ignore my posts, and it does not harm you, but the world is a better place if people treat others as they would be treated.

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I would absolutely not refuse to buy from someone with religious beliefs different from mine!

I *can* tell you, however, that I have had people NOT buy my crayons because of the choices I have available..... The details: I have three seasonal sets of recycled crayons available for sale. One is a Christmas set (Xmas tree & presents) one is a Hanukkah set of gelt (coins) & the other is a winter set of snowflakes. In the last week I've gotten two emails from people who have written to express their disappointment in my compromise as a Christian. Apparently, if I am Christian I should only offer Christian products. If I were Jewish, only Judaica stuff.

Don't want to get anyone cranked up over that. Personally, I just deleted the messaged & moved on. I just found it surprising (& a little ridiculous) that crayons could be so controversial - LOL!



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I would never get to have _any_ transactions if I did. LOL!!! Offline it is a bit of a different story. My brother is homosexual and I try desperately to avoid adding to the wealth of those who hold conservative beliefs on that subject in particular. My other hotbuttons include racism, anti-semitism, anti-equality, anti-education, etc. But certainly not flat out religious/spiritual beliefs. And any satanists looking to do trades can feel free to deal with me. I don't give a rat's *ss what anyone believes, just as I couldn't possibly care less about what goes on in someone's bedroom (all of this is of course assuming no one is harmed).

And like a couple of others posted I do sometimes feel as though others avoid dealings with me because of my lack of religious/spiritual beliefs. Oh well...

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Isn't it something that someone wants to "tell" you that you are compromised...sigh. The thing is...whether you are or not...it really isn't their business to tell you so...afterall, it's your business (literally). If we got uptight everytime someone compromised what *we* think is compromise...hmmm...wouldn't we constantly be uptight. Whoever e-mailed you should really just be concerned about their own compromising issues...especially since I am sure you didn't ask for their opinion. Too many people give their opinions out without realizing it wasn't asked for. At least it was private though. Whoever that is must have a real hard time purchasing anything at all in the Christian bookstores...they carry all kinds of different items. KWIM? JMO

Yep agreed, I regularly boycott companies and stop buying certain products for various reasons, religious, environmental or just plain old immoral issues.

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I know this has happened to me because of my beliefs. I even had a WAHM list my site, as well as a few others, on her site as a place from which never to buy! So, even though there doesn't "seem" to be many voting yes, I know for a fact there are many out there at Amity's. They just aren't answering your poll. I've lived it, and even been called terrible names to my "face". It is so sad that we can't all live in peace and respect. :-(

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Well I think that's pretty crappy & am sorry to hear that's happened to you :o( I don't understand how/why it is so difficult to get along & live in peace with each other either.

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well, I never get to read all the posts, or half the posts, or shucks a third of the posts! ;)

Looks like I am missing alot! :)

Beddy, I think it is great you offfer different crayons... I thought that when I saw your site, it made me order from you! LOL!

I would not avoid a trade with someone because of their religion, but, if someone was really mean/always starting something, I might consider.... or maybe not, I could shower them with love! LOL!

but, of course, we don't have anyone like that at amity's anyway! ;)

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I agree...I voted absolutely not as well...and I'm a non-believer! So if I can wheel and deal with everyone...I would hope everyone can do the same with each other. Did that make sense???

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I'm going to agree with you Hana. I try very hard to be aware of the beliefs of those I am buying from. My reasons are that I do not wasnt to support any company that descrimates based on any criteria. This is one reason that I WILL NEVER buy LLBean. The CEO of the co, Linda Bean, donated large amounts of money to a group called Concerned Maine Citizens. This was a group largely funded buy the Christian Coilition. Their goal was to repeal laws in Maine to protect the minority status of homosexuals. I was lucky to know about this and to know to boycott LLBean, but there are so many other companies that fund so many different causes. It is so hard to know who to support, KWIM?
As for individuals, I would not buy frfom someone who has a bad attitude. I have noticed that some of the "more religious" people on the boards seem to like to yell or flaunt their religion and I dont care for that. Therefore I will not buy from them. This has nothing to do with the particular religion, but the behavior of the person.

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ok, here is my opinion...YES, i buy from and deal with people here all the time who have different beliefs than me...heck, i'd have no transactions if i didn't.

That said, i try very hard to avoid *companies* who support causes i disagree with, or who withhold funding from causes i do agree with (ie, United Way).

And it is weird. I have very, very conservative beliefs. And I have zero problem with people who don't hold those beliefs. I find it very easy to differntiate between actions and beliefs i do not condone, and the person themself. I may totally disagree with a lifestyle choice, but have no problems with people living that choice...aughhh, i'm not making sense.

so the short answer is, yes, i would buy form individuals in a heart beat, no i don't buy from corporations .

and i voted incorrectly, too :-)

Mona and hana...does this mean you two won't buy from me? I think i've dealt with hana before, and i love mona's dipes...

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My site was on their boycott list too! :-(
Narrow minded, judgemental people can be so hurtful ....all in the name of righteousness!

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Teri, Our beliefs may differ, as mine do with most everyone, but I still like you. You have always been kind to me and treated me with respect. I don't know what your religion is or what you believe in, but that is not really what is important. Now if I found that you were saving all the $$ that people had sent you and sending it to the kkk, well, then I would be less inclined to want to work with you,;-)

Being a member of a minority group myself, I have to be particularly careful about the corporations and politicians I support. I would hate to think that today they are targeting X group, tomorrow, it might be my family and next week it might be yours.

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