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This is a C&P of an email I received:
As of this past Friday, Feb. 29th the court has
ruled homeshooling
is illegal in California. This includes ISP groups and Charter Schools. The
court is saying that
our children have to actually "attend" a public or private school during all
compulsatory
school hours. I have attached HSLDA's article on the subject. Thank you for
your prayers.
Goddess and God Bless, ¨LISA¨
single, university student, formerly-breastfeeding, pagan mama to: emily-anne elizabeth (04/29/03)
& ava marie victoria (09/07/05)
Location: Right where I wanna be- south bay area of sunny CA
Posts: 13,815
WHY IS THIS THREAD NOT ON FIRE!!???!?
I just saw this on our local paper and I am FREAKING out! This could change things in every state!!
ALL homeschooling mamas in CA and otherwise should be concerned!!!
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KD
newly single mom to three awesome kids
Location: Right where I wanna be- south bay area of sunny CA
Posts: 13,815
ok deep breath
Thanks for the list link.. I do feel better but still sick feeling.
Anyway, the list said we could pass this on-
Quote:
I have been astonished about the hype about this case. So many have been making
sensational claims that parents will be criminally prosecuted, etc.
Please rest assured about a number of things. First, the law, other than this
court's interpretation, hasn't changed. Parents involved in a truancy
prosecution might face criminal charges, but only after a rather lengthy series
of hearings and court orders, and only if the parents failed to comply with the
orders. It would be a criminal contempt charge, which isn't nothing but doesn't
land you in Pelican Bay.
We have never known conscientious parents ever to be prosecuted under truancy
laws to the point of contempt charges. It's highly unlikely.
The media also appear to be saying that no one can teach their children without
a credential. I am not certain that the holding is that broad, and I also doubt
it would survive legal challenge.
The holding really applied to private ISPs (there are persistent mistatements,
that began with fact statements in the case, that the family was enrolled in a
charter. Obviously a school with the name "Christian" in it wouldn't be a
public charter. It was a private ISP). It could be read by someone reading
broadly as applying to any situation where the child is not continuously in the
presence of a credentialed teacher.
The court started on a very slippery path of appearing to think that some
situations were OK and others weren't, effectively trying to enact an entire
code of regulations for governing this situation from the bench. He hasn't been
given the constitutional authority, of course, to do this.
How do we get rid of this case?
There are a number of paths. One is seeking actual review by the Supreme Court.
HSC and at least several of the other major groups' legal teams aren't in favor
of that. Even if you could get the court to accept your petition (they only
take 3-5% of cases), the chances that it will be decided the way you want aren't
real good. It's a very dangerous road to take, because if the Supreme Court
were to affirm the appellate court ruling on either of the main points
(constitutional or statutory), there aren't many options left. The
constitutional argument, of course, could be appealed to the US Supreme Court,
but the statutory case about the proper interpretation of the California
Education Code could not. California Supreme Court is the last stop on that
road. If that happens, then you have two bad choices that I'll discuss below.
There is another much easier choice, and it's the one we want, as well as the
one being trumpeted in the HSLDA petition. You ask the California Supreme Court
to depublish the opinion, or, in other words, have them say that while this
might have been the right result in this particular case involving this
particular set of facts, the court finds that the reach of the opinion is
overbroad and should not become law for the entire state. That is the choice we
all (meaning HSC and, I believe, the other groups) want.
You get this by filing a letter with the Supreme Court in compliance with the
applicable rules of court. While anyone can file one by stating their interest,
we DO NOT think it is an appropriate use of grassroots activism. We DO NOT want
every HSC member or HSLDA member or grandmother or irate citizen dashing off
their letters to the Supreme Court. There are sober, measured, legal arguments
to make about why depublication is appropriate, and those arguments are made
after researching the applicable standards, etc. The Supreme Court will not be
swayed positively by public outcry. In fact, it could backfire, and backfire
badly.
If the Supreme Court affirms on the statutory points, then the two bad choices
are to either seek legislation or to do nothing and hope that a further case is
brought that can involve a better set of facts and better explanation of the
issues (and reaching a better result). Both are very dangerous. Legislation
isn't the answer because of the extraordinary strength of the teachers' union.
It is unlikely we will see any legislation ultimately pass that gives us the
freedom we have today. And the second choice is dangerous. I know lots of
families that would make terrific test case defendants -- they're conscientious,
they actually get their kids educated, they follow the laws. But we don't get
to pick who the family is. As a friend of mine said, we couldn't have gotten a
worse set of facts for this case if we had a contest.
We are trying to get one or more of the fanciest law firms in the state to help
us on taking the fangs out of this case. We know what we're doing. Please let
us do our jobs.
I would be personally, professionally, and, as a representative of HSC, globally
grateful if everyone on this list would calm down and ask others to calm down.
Specifically, I would ask people:
a. Not to write to the Supreme Court or any court.
b. Not to talk to their legislators or make any public statements about a need
for legislation.
c. Tell their neighbors, friends, lists, groups both of the above and to
educate them about the choices available and about how panic isn't necessary,
marches on Sacramento aren't necessary, etc.
I wish this were the type of situation where we could put the fury, passion and
energy of the members of this list to good use. Trust me, if we end up having
to go the legislative route, we will have that situation at some points. But
this isn't that type of situation, and too many folks stirring things up hurts
instead of helps.
Location: Right where I wanna be- south bay area of sunny CA
Posts: 13,815
Quote:
Originally Posted by freedomlover
They will file things to make sure that all is good.
I am so trying to stay calm about this and hope this is the case...
But I am so not the optimist! I am so afraid we will stand still hoping for the best and then get side swiped y/k?
I know... deep breath but these are my babies!
(going back to a post on the yahoo list) And about the newspapers- they are not going to write any stories retracting that HSing in CA is illegal. And for the next 10 years I will have to inform everyone from sales clerks to family members that I am not breaking the freaking law
Gov. Schwarzenegger has also come out on the side of the parents. He issued a statement that said, "Parents should not be penalized for acting in the best interest of their children's education. This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts and if the courts don't protect parent's rights then, as elected officials, we will."
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