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Sometimes I wish I was stupid...
Or at least ignorant.
I have discovered that Logan is Lactose Intolerant. He has thrown up a ton of his milk since day one... so his dr diagnosed him with reflux and then said that because it wasn't "painful" reflux, it should just clear up on its own with the strengthening of the stomach sphincter. Well... it hasn't. In fact, he was throwing up more than ever.
Last week I did a mini clense. Salad, fruits, and water for a couple days (I think I had a Luna bar too, but I wasn't doing it to extreme, just trying to feel a little more energized)... and happy side effect; Logan stopped throwing up. I mean, he spit up... like a normal baby though, not the projectile issues we have been having.
Well last Thursday, when we went to pick up the chickens, Sarah and I went to BurgerVille... Of course it is Strawberry Shake season, and so we both got one. The next morning, Logan progectile vomited on Don, my bed, and basically everywhere. I had pizza at a birthday party two days later. Logan spent that night crying with terrible cramps.
I noticed all this and thought about what I was eating when he didn't throw up. And I cut out dairy three days ago. I had a little butter on my potatoes day before yesterday and a tiny bit of whipping cream on my berry salad I made yesterday, and that has been IT for dairy... and he has spit up twice. Hasn't needed to burp NEAR as much, and hasn't vomited at all.
This is one of those times where I HATE to be right.
You will all have to help me cope with basil and tomato season without brie. It will be a LONG summer. *Sigh*
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Oh honey I am with you...Little W is too...and it is HECK. I am still adjusting to the no dairy thing...and it SUCKS!
We went out for date night last night for mexican...and dh ordered us a fried ice cream at the end of dinner...and just as I put my spoon in it I remembered...well crap...I just laid my spoon down...and poor dh apologized profusely...I said...wonder if they have any fried rice dream
This is a WHOLE new experience for me too...so I am wondering if they grow out of it or not???
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We went through that, almost verbatim, with JB.
I started introducing trace (like, not actual dairy, but baked goods that had whey) around our last WDW trip. So, he would have been - oh - just over four months.
I just threw caution to the wind and had full on dairy while we were in the resort, though - it was our anniversary trip and we had amazing dinners planned, and I just couldn't resist. He did fine. He was a little more gassy, and was a little more spitty, but no projectile vomiting like before.
He's 9 months now, and still gets gassy/burpy if I drink a glass of milk or have ice cream - but not anything like it was. He also gets a pretty bad tummy if he gets anything with trace dairy in HIS food - but, I am severely lactose intolerant (maybe even allergic), and 3 of my girls are as well - so I think he's destined.
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I think he may grow out of it... but I do think it will be a long summer without my brie and basil and tomatoes... I seriously eat this ALL SUMMER LONG for the last 6 years.
I am happy that it may take off the last 6lbs I am carrying though. When I told Don this he said "way to see the bright side honey!" lol... A girls gotta do what a girls gotta do right? Between this and garden season, how can I hold onto weight? It would be hard. lol... I moved about 500lbs of rock yesterday (which isn't as much rock as it sounds like).
For some babies, actual milk or ice cream is what does it. Small amounts of yogurt or cheese are tolerable-- if it is an intolerance that they will outgrow I think it is more likely. Liam was a projectile vomiter, but could tolerate a little cheese or yogurt, just not ice cream (****it). I think also that the proteins are more broken down in certain types of cheeses, but right now am not remembering which ones (it is either hard or soft, but I am not sure which, LOL)
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Also Val, you can trial raw cheese or milk . . . at Metropolitan Market up by UPS they have a huge selection of cheeses, many raw, and I'm positive they'd have a raw brie. I have dairy issues here in my children that range from mild lactose intolerance to Class 6 IGE allergy, and a couple of the intolerant dd's tolerate raw dairy fine. The enzymes that digest lactose haven't been killed off by pasteurization. Marlene's carries a very nice jersey raw milk. Azure has it, too, but way more expensive. And Azure and Marlene's do raw cheese, but very little selection.
My ds was similar with the projectile vomiting. He never seemed to be upset by it though, but I worried that he wouldn't get enough nutrition if he kept throwing everything up!
Anyway, I discovered that it was only yogurt and ice cream and that cheese didn't seem to bother him. I'm not a milk drinker so I'm not sure if that would've bothered him.
He grew out of it by about 6 months or so.
Enjoy the weather today--I'm hoping Spring is finally here!!
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I found another bright side. He nurses less often. I didn't even think about it, but when you throw up 1/2 your food, you are hungry more. *DUH!* So he is only nursing every 3 - 4 hours instead of every 2 hours or less, and he is sleeping a bit better too.
Perks... there are perks. There HAVE to be perks.
Kim... will you pm me directions to that place... Sarah and I will have to come check it out. (Any way the kids will be up to a party in July?)
It reeeeally sucks, but you CAN do this. I've been dairy-free for going on 9 months, but I'm now seeing light at the end of the tunnel as Josie is tolerating more and more dairy in my diet. Actually, she hasn't had a bad reaction to any of my recent experiments with cheese and yogurt -- I just haven't dared try eating more yet.
Hopefully, Logan will be one who grows out of his intolerance faster than that. My fingers and toes are crossed that he'll let you have soy. It took several weeks, but I really have adjusted far better than I first imagined. You can do this!
Val,
It took me a couple years to figure out that DS #1 was probably intolerant to dairy. He projectile vomited quite often as a baby, and then was perpetually constipated from the time he was about 15 months (when he really started to eat foods--like cheese) until about 4. He seems to have outgrown it, but I'm not entirely convinced he wouldn't be better off without it. The constipation issue was really awful. We took him to a gastrointerologist who rolled his eyes at me when I suggested that maybe dairy was an issue. The child was taking MOM every day and even with that, when he ate yogurt, he'd wind up constipated. I know now it had to be the dairy, and it probably was a problem from the beginning. For some reason, it didn't occur to me that projectile emptying the entire contents of one's stomach every so often wasn't normal. I guess I was stupid (or at least ignorant)...
One of my fav summer salads is basil, with "smashed" cherry tomatoes and kalamata olives with basalmic vinegar--maybe with some of those you wouldn't miss the cheese so much?
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Oh Jody... I make that exact salad, with pesto and fresh mozerlla. *sigh*
It has been hardest for me to make things for the kids and not snack on cheese. Like yesterday Cyan came home asking for cheese and crackers for lunch... no problem, I will have tuna instead of cheese and that sounds fine... then cutting her cheese I have a slice. Just automatically. And Logan threw up twice last night. And today, I was making them mac and cheese (the real stuff, not Kraft Dinner) and had a couple bites. 4 hours later he threw up all over me. I keep not wanting to see the difference, but it is very clear. I wish it wasn't.
On a happy note, I had a soy chai today... it wasn't too bad. I can totally live with that.
It sounds like cheese is your thing, but if you have a need for an ice cream fix, I highly recommend Rice Cream Dessert, organic foods, vegan ice cream, gluten free dessert, lactose free ice cream. It is the best non-dairy ice cream I have tried (and I've tried a lot of them.) Sadly, I never found a good cheese sub. I kind of liked some of the cashew-nutritional yeast dippy things (a google search for vegan cheese spread or sauce should come up with a few recipes). Not cheese, really, at all, but they did somehow tame the part of me that was dying for cheese.
It's a technicality, but it's very very unlikely to be *lactose* intolerance. There is lactose in breastmilk, too, and while it is possible for babies to have true lactose intolerance, it's really rare.
It's more likely dairy *protein* intolerance. And it does sound pretty certain that dairy is an issue. It gets easier! Anders couldn't tolerate dairy at all in my milk, I avoided it for 2 years, and now it's totally fine (he's still nursing, too). I missed cheese the most of all, there's just not much that can fill that gap. Anders couldn't tolerate trace dairy in packaged foods, not even as part of artificial or natural ingredients. He was really sensitive. And now, the sky's the limit! Sometimes it is a true dairy protein allergy, so you'll want to watch for that whenever you play around with it, but very often it's an intolerance.
I never had to try out any dairy--I had enough little slip-ups to have "Trials" frequently enough. He reacted every single time.
As it happened, he ended up having allergies to many more things (soy, egg, chicken, wheat, peas, peanuts, etc etc), so just dairy didn't seem so bad anymore. But I remember how hard it was at first. Ask for help if you need it!
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Dairy is totally avoldable - you already make most of your own food and shop carefully. No biggie!
I agree with Heather - it'll be the milk protein (probably casein but potentially whey) he's reacting to - which is still present in all dairy foods, even butter and fats.
But if you avoid it for 2 years he might grow out of it
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He was a little more gassy, and was a little more spitty, but no projectile vomiting like before. 
When I told Don this he said "way to see the bright side honey!" lol... A girls gotta do what a girls gotta do right? Between this and garden season, how can I hold onto weight? It would be hard. lol... I moved about 500lbs of rock yesterday (which isn't as much rock as it sounds like).
Oh mama, I feel for you!
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