Oops, I got seriously waylaid over the holidays, but will try to find these. I am pretty sure I saved them. Still would like to get some "credit" ...ahemmm... For being a member, ('99) even if inactive off and on, for so long..... What I would really like though would be to go back and re-read some of those old posts... I have looked with the way back machine, but never found any really old ones, you know, before THE TURN OF THE CENTURY!!! Maybe we could be the 20th century mama sub group. ;-)